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Started by Jez , Jun 19 2006 08:45 pm

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#21 dandywarhol

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 09:23 pm

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They self compensate? Never knew that. Carpe-TDM 'The font of all TDM knowledge'

TY for the corrected info... In theory is sounded good no?


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Posted 25 June 2006 - 03:04 pm

QUOTE(dandywarhol @ Mon 19th Jun 2006, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All blue spots fit and you can use your original master Jez



QUOTE(stu @ Tue 20th Jun 2006, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, fitting the m/cyl which goes with them apparently gives more 'feel'. Didn't we establish it was a smaller bore?
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Thanks to all for the help. Will try the blue spots, once I have stripped them and cleaned them, with the 850 m/cyl. I will let you all know how it goes. good.gif
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 02:50 pm

ok please help, i've read a number of these topics on bluespots and i'm still confused bout this.

i've looked at pics of blue spots on ebay and there appear to be different types, i assume from different years/models.

I'm looking to upgrade my calipers to blues sports, so what bike/year/model number do i need for my mk1 that fit on directly without any modifications?
Its booked in for a service on 1st August and matey bhoy the mechanic will fit them for me if they dont require any mods (nb: i dont want to do these myself).

...and is it worth putting braided hoses on at the same time?

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to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 05:21 pm

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ok please help, i've read a number of these topics on bluespots and i'm still confused bout this.

i've looked at pics of blue spots on ebay and there appear to be different types, i assume from different years/models.

I'm looking to upgrade my calipers to blues sports, so what bike/year/model number do i need for my mk1 that fit on directly without any modifications?
Its booked in for a service on 1st August and matey bhoy the mechanic will fit them for me if they dont require any mods (nb: i dont want to do these myself).

...and is it worth putting braided hoses on at the same time?

Tony...any bluespots will fit (and the 6 piston clappers from the YZF750)......they're all the same pitch between the bolts..........only ones which don't fit are the latest radial clappers off the R1.

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 06:10 pm

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Tony...any bluespots will fit (and the 6 piston clappers from the YZF750)......they're all the same pitch between the bolts..........only ones which don't fit are the latest radial clappers off the R1.

Looking forward to meeting you at the weekend .


As Dandy man says any blue spots fit.
The later R'1 have gold spots, now the early gold spots fit (04 models I think) later ones don't, these are the Radial ones. Gold ones are like rocking horse pooh and are ferzackerly the same as the blue ones mechanically.
I believe there are 2 types of blue spots, the two piece ones as fitted to early thunder cats, these can be differentiated by the metal pipe linking the two parts of the caliper. The one piece ones don't have this pipe.
The one piece ones are supposed to be the better ones.
I got my calipers from MI Salvage
Thig is when I got mine they were only £50. They don't tell you on the webby that they add VAT and courier shipping to that price (£10) so the £60 quickly becomes £82:25, the courier is next day though rolleyes.gif

I would recommend using Ebay and waiting till a cheap set pop up. I did buy another set of Ebay for £32 cos the gimp had spelt caliper wrong, use www.fatfingers.com put in caliper and then get it to perform a search for you.

Here you go, some ebay links:

The right blue spots
the wrong gold spots
The right gold spots, £50 for one!!!
more blueis
more blueis
These blueis look pukka

You get the gist, there are shed loads of blue spots on there. Personally I wouldn't pay more than £60 for a pair and that includes shipping.

Edited by nitram, 29 June 2006 - 06:19 pm.

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 07:12 pm

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As Dandy man says any blue spots fit.
The later R'1 have gold spots, now the early gold spots fit (04 models I think) later ones don't, these are the Radial ones. Gold ones are like rocking horse pooh and are ferzackerly the same as the blue ones mechanically.
I believe there are 2 types of blue spots, the two piece ones as fitted to early thunder cats, these can be differentiated by the metal pipe linking the two parts of the caliper. The one piece ones don't have this pipe.
The one piece ones are supposed to be the better ones.
I got my calipers from MI Salvage
Thig is when I got mine they were only £50. They don't tell you on the webby that they add VAT and courier shipping to that price (£10) so the £60 quickly becomes £82:25, the courier is next day though rolleyes.gif

I would recommend using Ebay and waiting till a cheap set pop up. I did buy another set of Ebay for £32 cos the gimp had spelt caliper wrong, use www.fatfingers.com put in caliper and then get it to perform a search for you.

Here you go, some ebay links:

The right blue spots
the wrong gold spots
The right gold spots, £50 for one!!!
more blueis
more blueis
These blueis look pukka

You get the gist, there are shed loads of blue spots on there. Personally I wouldn't pay more than £60 for a pair and that includes shipping.

I put you down the wrong path with the 2 piece info martin - they're actually all 1 piece, just that Thundercat ones have the pipe to the outside. Also the goldspots which fit the TDM have alloy pistons smile.gif

Edited by dandywarhol, 29 June 2006 - 07:12 pm.

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 03:17 pm

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=290004511692

i think these are the correct ones?

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to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:26 pm

Yup they are the right ones.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 07:57 pm

Hey Tone. Those look great. When I bought mine there were loads on ebay, now they are much rarer. Good luck with bidding.

I have still not got round to fitting mine yet. Will you be fitting yours soon? Will you strip them first? Will you be using the standard 850 m/cyl? I am interested to know how you get on.
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Stealth Diamond Black 900 with lurvely black frame. GS brush guards. HotGrips on a relay - cos I keep forgetting. SW-Motech center stand and engine bars. LED rear light. Vario set to min. 17 incher. PR2s.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 08:00 pm

QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 6th Jul 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Tone. Those look great. When I bought mine there were loads on ebay, now they are much rarer. Good luck with bidding.

I have still not got round to fitting mine yet. Will you be fitting yours soon? Will you strip them first? Will you be using the standard 850 m/cyl? I am interested to know how you get on.

its going in for a service on 1st Aug, and the garage will be fitting them and braided hoses as part of the service good.gif
i dont intend to be doing anything with them before, thats why i'm looking for a set in good condition smile.gif

"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 04:19 pm

hmmm...yelp!
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=130006639249
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=130007051555
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=140008398081
right or wrong set?

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My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 08:23 am

QUOTE(Toneski @ Tue 18th Jul 2006, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hmmm...yelp!
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=130006639249
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=130007051555
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...em=140008398081
right or wrong set?

All of 'em are right tony good.gif

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 08:57 am

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All of 'em are right tony good.gif


Aye they are all the right type. the wrong ones will be for 05/06 bikes and late 04 R1's and will have gold spots.

The way you can tell if the are the wrong ones is the mountings. The wrong type have the mounting bolt holes going from back to front on the caliper, the right type have the mounting holes going left to right.
Also the newer (wrong) type are more compact.

Look at the following pictures, the bluespots have the correct mountings, the goldspots have the wrong mountings. So just as long as you get calipers with the same mountings as the bluespots in the picture, you'll be fine. I think the general rule of thum is, if they have bluespots they are good, goldspots they are not good. good.gif




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QUOTE(nitram @ Wed 19th Jul 2006, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the general rule of thum is, if they have bluespots they are good, goldspots they are not good. good.gif

They do make Gold-spots that fit too, the radial one's won't fit, but there are some that fit.

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 09:41 am

thanks guys
QUOTE(Emmett @ Wed 19th Jul 2006, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They do make Gold-spots that fit too, the radial one's won't fit, but there are some that fit.

yeah, i saw a few that looked the same.
i read a few of the previous posts/topics/forums/websites and the only difference I can find mentioned between the blue and gold spots (that fit) is alloy pistons. is this correct? and is it worth the extra?
£50-60 for blue, £100 for gold.

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My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me  :good:

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 09:54 am

QUOTE(Emmett @ Wed 19th Jul 2006, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They do make Gold-spots that fit too, the radial one's won't fit, but there are some that fit.


Aye they do, that's why I said general rule of thumb.
The 04 R1 had the new radial goldspots fitted. The last of the older shape R1's had the original 100mm mounting calipers but with the gold spot.
I can't see having alloy pistons will make the calipers perform better it will just make them ounces lighter, perhaps they will react quicker having less mass to move rolleyes.gif

Here is a picture of the radial gold spots fitted, you can see how the mountings on the caliper differ:


Edited by nitram, 19 July 2006 - 09:58 am.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:52 am

while we're on the subject of brakes, im goin ta fit braided hoses to me front calipers and have seen some on ebay fer £40. now they have 3 hoses; 1 fer rear the caliper, and 1 seperate hose fer each front caliper which meet at the resevoir. my question is, which hose setup is best, the above setup or should i copy the stock hose configuration which has a bridge between each hose which mounts onto the rear of the front fender ??? tink Dazzo had problems with this setup some time ago so any onions would probably help me decide. tanks Wick

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:54 am

From what I have read the 2 hose method for the fronts is better than the 1 - 2 method.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 06:14 pm

I agree with Nitram.

The loop over, ie the stock, method is banned from drag racing in favour of the two straight lines. There is a reason for this.

I have had many problems bleeding the loop over set up, mostly on Gixers, as an air bubble can get trapped. I have made my own hoses several times and have always gone for the dual line setup, air floats to the top and can sometimes be bled through the banjo. I cannot recomend the latter system highly enough.

Hope this very definite, but humble, opinion helps.
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Stealth Diamond Black 900 with lurvely black frame. GS brush guards. HotGrips on a relay - cos I keep forgetting. SW-Motech center stand and engine bars. LED rear light. Vario set to min. 17 incher. PR2s.

All now a fond (very fond) memory. Maybe again some day.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 06:38 pm

QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 20th Jul 2006, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with Nitram.

The loop over, ie the stock, method is banned from drag racing in favour of the two straight lines. There is a reason for this.

I have had many problems bleeding the loop over set up, mostly on Gixers, as an air bubble can get trapped. I have made my own hoses several times and have always gone for the dual line setup, air floats to the top and can sometimes be bled through the banjo. I cannot recomend the latter system highly enough.

Hope this very definite, but humble, opinion helps.


I've been contemplating changing my current 1 - 2 braided setup to a 2 - 2 setup. Bleeding the current setup is a real biatch blink.gif
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