, just works for me and one line from the bars looks cleaner 
Whatever works for you is best Wickster my man, try it both ways and you decide
Blue spot calipers (oh no! not that old chestnut)
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 08:18 pm
Dunno, but my brakes felt very wooden when I ran it as two lines from the master cylinder, the feel of the brakes was much improved when I changed it over to a 1-2 system, don't have any idea why this should be , just works for me and one line from the bars looks cleaner
Whatever works for you is best Wickster my man, try it both ways and you decide
, just works for me and one line from the bars looks cleaner Whatever works for you is best Wickster my man, try it both ways and you decide
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:45 pm
Just finished fitting a set of Blue Spots and was amazed that it went pretty much to plan. Even managed to bleed the brakes without too much trouble. 
Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow but not sure what to expect as I never had any problems with the originals.
Johnny W
Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow but not sure what to expect as I never had any problems with the originals.Johnny W
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:52 pm
QUOTE(JohnnyW @ Thu 20th Jul 2006, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just finished fitting a set of Blue Spots and was amazed that it went pretty much to plan. Even managed to bleed the brakes without too much trouble. Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow but not sure what to expect as I never had any problems with the originals.
Johnny W
Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow but not sure what to expect as I never had any problems with the originals.Johnny W
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:13 pm
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stoppies are on the cards then if you yank em on the same
Better practice with them before taking the wife out on the back. Dont think she would appreciate being launched over the bars
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 10:27 am
QUOTE(Dazzo @ Thu 20th Jul 2006, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dunno, but my brakes felt very wooden when I ran it as two lines from the master cylinder, the feel of the brakes was much improved when I changed it over to a 1-2 system, don't have any idea why this should be , just works for me and one line from the bars looks cleaner
Whatever works for you is best Wickster my man, try it both ways and you decide
, just works for me and one line from the bars looks cleaner Whatever works for you is best Wickster my man, try it both ways and you decide
right tanks fer the replies people, the main reason im tinking of fitting s/s lines is because the rubber hoses are 6 y/old and severely kinked into an S shape to attach onto the blue spots and this looks dodgy imo !!! as it is the brakes are brilliant and im not after any improvement in feel/power etc, etc, i even considered having a set of bespoke rubber hoses made up but i dunno how much £££ this would set me back.
Daz was that wan of yer chat up lines when ya first met Mrs. Dazzo
Edited by wicklamulla, 21 July 2006 - 10:27 am.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 10:52 am
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right tanks fer the replies people, the main reason im tinking of fitting s/s lines is because the rubber hoses are 6 y/old and severely kinked into an S shape to attach onto the blue spots and this looks dodgy imo !!! as it is the brakes are brilliant and im not after any improvement in feel/power etc, etc, i even considered having a set of bespoke rubber hoses made up but i dunno how much £££ this would set me back.
Theres a bloke selling HEL lines on Ebay, £22:50 per custom made line. So for 2 long lines for a TDM with R1/R6 ends would be just £45, which is pretty good. Any colour too.
You don't want to be getting rubber lines mate
I'm gonna get a hydraulic brake switch for the rear, my 3rd one has broken, I'm getting fed up changing the fecking things
Brake switch
The same bloke does the custome HEL braided lines.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 07:32 pm
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Daz was that wan of yer chat up lines when ya first met Mrs. Dazzo
You've met her mate, do you think that would have worked?
Edited by Dazzo, 21 July 2006 - 07:33 pm.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 10:24 pm
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You've met her mate, do you think that would have worked?
tink oil say no more Dazzo
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engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.
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Posted 24 July 2006 - 02:50 pm
QUOTE(nitram @ Thu 20th Jul 2006, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've been contemplating changing my current 1 - 2 braided setup to a 2 - 2 setup. Bleeding the current setup is a real biatch 
I have recently learnt that the way to bleed the standard brake hose set up is to detach the left caliper and hold it up in the air. This allows the air to 'rise' into the caliper which can then be bled in the usual way.
Still prefer the 2-2 method for the reasons I have stated in a previous post in this thread.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 09:00 am
QUOTE(nitram @ Fri 21st Jul 2006, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't want to be getting rubber lines mate
And why not?
There is very little difference in performance between a NEW rubber hose and a NEW braided line. The only difference is that you can easily see when there is a fault with a rubber hose whereas a fault with a braid covered hose is impossible to see. The only reason I can see for getting braided is cos they are cheaper.Jez, Hawmaw, Tony, did you boys get your blue spots fitted? Jez, did you need to "twist the hose" with your Thunderace calipers? If they allow you to fit the calipers without twisting the hose I may get a set.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 10:17 am
QUOTE(dapleb @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jez, Hawmaw, Tony, did you boys get your blue spots fitted? Jez, did you need to "twist the hose" with your Thunderace calipers? If they allow you to fit the calipers without twisting the hose I may get a set.
yes, they fit straight on with no modifications, just a very slight twist of the hose.
i'm much happier with the feel, i like the lever being that much harder and the response is instant/sharp, much more to
my liking and much more confidence inspiring (unless your the kind of rider who panicks and grabs a handful), with the
blue spots that would cause a mess, either of your bike or of your underpants.
i have got braided lines, but not fitted them, as it is at the moment i dont think i they are needed, however i'll hang on to them just incase.
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Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
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to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 02:42 pm
QUOTE(Toneski @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes, they fit straight on with no modifications, just a very slight twist of the hose.
Were yours Thunderace calipers Toneski?
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 03:45 pm
QUOTE(dapleb @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jez, Hawmaw, Tony, did you boys get your blue spots fitted? Jez, did you need to "twist the hose" with your Thunderace calipers? If they allow you to fit the calipers without twisting the hose I may get a set.
Cheers
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Cheers
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Got it done this weekend. Made up braided lines in a 'two straight lines' setup so no twisting required.
Very pleased with the calipers. They immediately felt more solid than the standard and worked better straight away, even with new pads. The discs are in fairly good nick so not much pad bedding in required. Lever feels good too.
Bled up easily too so do not be put off by the external link pipe on the older Thunderace calipers.
As it happens I fitted new chain and sprockets at the same time so the bike feels like a new 'un.
Let us know if you decide to go ahead Dap.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:03 pm
QUOTE(dapleb @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Were yours Thunderace calipers Toneski?
R6 calipers afaik
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My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:10 pm
Thanks for the update guys.
Jez, I will probably only go ahead if its possible to fit the Thunderace calipers without any change to the hoses and without the hose twist I have seen on some setups. I thought the Thunderace differed from other blue spots as they didn't require the twist? If the Thunderace also require the standard hoses to be twisted I don't think I'll bother.
Cheers
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Jez, I will probably only go ahead if its possible to fit the Thunderace calipers without any change to the hoses and without the hose twist I have seen on some setups. I thought the Thunderace differed from other blue spots as they didn't require the twist? If the Thunderace also require the standard hoses to be twisted I don't think I'll bother.
Cheers
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:13 pm
Gimme 10 mins I will provide a pic.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:15 pm
QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gimme 10 mins I will provide a pic.
pic of mine
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:23 pm
QUOTE(Jez @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gimme 10 mins I will provide a pic.
Wow Tone that's some fast posting going on there.
Note no link pipe on Tone's R6s. My older Thunderace ones with no hose twist are here:
Edited by Jez, 17 August 2006 - 07:24 pm.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 04:40 pm
Fantastic thanks for the pics guys, so with the Thunderace even with standard hoses, looks like you can eliminate the twist as the banjo is at a different angle.
Looks like I'm on the lookout for some Thunerace front calipers then, lettuce snow if ya see any!
Thanks
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Looks like I'm on the lookout for some Thunerace front calipers then, lettuce snow if ya see any!
Thanks
dapleb
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If you want to mark your location on the Carpe map: http://www.carpe-tdm...opic.php?t=5117
Doin valve clearances? Use dappers valve shim exchange program and the job will be carroty - Free (other than you postin me yer shims) for sporting members.
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If you want to mark your location on the Carpe map: http://www.carpe-tdm...opic.php?t=5117
Doin valve clearances? Use dappers valve shim exchange program and the job will be carroty - Free (other than you postin me yer shims) for sporting members.
Active member of TPLQHCSRSFC and TSRMCMAS (even though a year off) and avid fan of PM not sent.
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Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:10 pm
QUOTE(dapleb @ Thu 17th Aug 2006, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fantastic thanks for the pics guys, so with the Thunderace even with standard hoses, looks like you can eliminate the twist as the banjo is at a different angle.
Looks like I'm on the lookout for some Thunerace front calipers then, lettuce snow if ya see any!
Thanks
dapleb
Looks like I'm on the lookout for some Thunerace front calipers then, lettuce snow if ya see any!
Thanks
dapleb
alot of difference between their's and my hose setup PK, mine are badly twisted/kinked, looks like it'll be time to fit braided hoses over the winter in a bid to eliminate the kinkiness.
spyball alarm/immob, bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.
I loike tay and hang sangwiches !
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