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#61 Invenire

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:50 am

QUOTE(Stratman @ Wed 24th Feb 2010, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Doesn't say what the seat height is - I usually find these things too tall, the 9'er is at the upper limit of my inner leg rolleyes.gif

They are offering a special low seat at 810mm. UK price Ł13,500. The initial batch will be fully optioned up and sold only online. I'm unsure whether this means potential buyers will not be able to test ride before they buy. Find it hard to believe it if this turns out to be the case. It's a lot of cash to spend blind.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:28 am

Just my two cents........I like it wub.gif Interesting to see how it compares price wise with the
BM GS if it ever makes it to Australia dry.gif Would need to be special to tempt me off the Niner though. For me, definately a better
option than the 660. Have to wait and see if Yamaha Oz decides to bring them here.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:53 am

I won't be rushing to my dealer to buy one, but it looks great! A bit heavy perhaps, but who cares? Few will take it off-road anyhow.. wink.gif

I wonder if those forks will bolt onto a 9er without too much effort?

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 02:16 pm

QUOTE(v8guy @ Sat 27th Feb 2010, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I won't be rushing to my dealer to buy one, but it looks great! A bit heavy perhaps, but who cares? Few will take it off-road anyhow.. wink.gif


You won't be able to rush to your dealer and buy one, or in fact try one at all. Currently on a certain site they are saying:

"The bike will only be available by reserving it online – no dealers will be getting demo bikes and everything will be sold online; just like the Yamaha V-Max was in 2008."

And for this you will be paying Ł1,300 more than a Beemer GS specced to the max. Sigh, if this is all true. I can't see many other marques losing sleep over this one. I guess we'll have to hope Yamaha relent and sell bikes as normal when the "ordinary" version appears in 2011.



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Posted 27 February 2010 - 05:47 pm

QUOTE(Finch @ Sat 27th Feb 2010, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Think the side mounted radiators would be vulnerable if you were to drop it during the dakar dry.gif


With a 450cc limit on bikes in the Dakar from now on, I dont think that will be too much of an issue.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:01 pm

The fact that it's just been released at the Phillip Island SBK meet is a fair indicator that it will be available in OZ. The Yamaha people say its definitely coming but couldn't confirm a price, they said they were hoping to sell at $18-19,000AUD. All that was over the phone from a mate at PI this morning.

With my 900 now 8 years old and me considering a new bike anyway, it's certainly on my list to look at(the 1200GS is definitely not). Especially as they've given it a reasonable seat height, I just laughed at the dealer when he offered me ride on the 660 tenere, at 895mm riding it would be impossible for me.

In OZ, most people that buy these sort of bikes use them in the dirt etc, not as many show ponies and posers as the UK I guess.

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QUOTE(willsTDM @ Sat 27th Feb 2010, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just my two cents........I like it wub.gif Interesting to see how it compares price wise with the
BM GS if it ever makes it to Australia dry.gif Would need to be special to tempt me off the Niner though. For me, definately a better
option than the 660. Have to wait and see if Yamaha Oz decides to bring them here.

I can dream though laugh.gif


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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:44 pm

QUOTE(AL-58 @ Sat 27th Feb 2010, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With a 450cc limit on bikes in the Dakar from now on, I dont think that will be too much of an issue.

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it was a reference to the dakar style marketing and heritage of the tenere, pointing out that if you did off road on the bike and dropped it the radiators would be suceptible to damage, not to be taken literaly dry.gif

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 10:04 pm

QUOTE(Finch @ Sun 28th Feb 2010, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it was a reference to the dakar style marketing and heritage of the tenere, pointing out that if you did off road on the bike and dropped it the radiators would be suceptible to damage, not to be taken literaly dry.gif


Fairy 'nuff

My VTR1000F also had side mounted radiators, I did have a fairly hard drop on the right side while playing hard on some dirt roads on the way to a rally, the bodywork took the brunt, radiator was untouched so I'm sure protection can still be designed in. Side mounted radiators can make the bike slimmer and cooler to ride. Too many watercooled bikes(My K100RS included) just pump heat out onto your legs, that might be OK in cooler climates or my winter, but it doesn't work here in an Australian summer where it just burns your legs.

I guess you could say I dont see it as a bad thing.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:18 pm

QUOTE(AL-58 @ Sat 27th Feb 2010, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fairy 'nuff

My VTR1000F also had side mounted radiators, I did have a fairly hard drop on the right side while playing hard on some dirt roads on the way to a rally, the bodywork took the brunt, radiator was untouched so I'm sure protection can still be designed in. Side mounted radiators can make the bike slimmer and cooler to ride. Too many watercooled bikes(My K100RS included) just pump heat out onto your legs, that might be OK in cooler climates or my winter, but it doesn't work here in an Australian summer where it just burns your legs.

I guess you could say I dont see it as a bad thing.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:57 am


I hear you Al,
My Nine is only three and a bit years old. I briefly looked at the 660 Tenere too, the seat height wasn't an issue as such but
with a dickey left ankle and knee, and a crook lower spine the flatter I have my feet on the ground the better unsure.gif I love the TDM's 'highwayability' somewhere I think the 660 would struggle given our l o n g road distances here. I'm not sure about the fly by wire throttle, look at Toyotas dramas at present ohmy.gif
The shaft drive is the main advantage for me, provided it can handle some 'spirited' riding? I would love a test ride on one of these 1200's, maybe by the time they are here in Oz I'll be able to afford to trade the 900? Time will tell! laugh.gif




QUOTE(AL-58 @ Sun 28th Feb 2010, 05:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The fact that it's just been released at the Phillip Island SBK meet is a fair indicator that it will be available in OZ. The Yamaha people say its definitely coming but couldn't confirm a price, they said they were hoping to sell at $18-19,000AUD. All that was over the phone from a mate at PI this morning.

With my 900 now 8 years old and me considering a new bike anyway, it's certainly on my list to look at(the 1200GS is definitely not). Especially as they've given it a reasonable seat height, I just laughed at the dealer when he offered me ride on the 660 tenere, at 895mm riding it would be impossible for me.

In OZ, most people that buy these sort of bikes use them in the dirt etc, not as many show ponies and posers as the UK I guess.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 07:30 am

I like the looks of the new machine well enough, but only when I hold it up against the overblown BMW R1200GS. Form without function bugs me. That Bimmer's vestigal front fender is enough to turn me off the whole bike.

And I love the idea of being able to truly use a bike both on and off road. That's why I've been riding mountain bikes here in Japan for the last twenty-odd years as well. Nothing beats the feeling of freedom you get from leaving the pavement to the traffic once you hit the trailhead.

But. Maybe Japan has influenced my sense of scale, but I just find all the current "adventure bikes" to be so much overkill.

I was looking through a 2010 buyer's guide recently and thinking about the specs I'd like to see in an honest on/off road bike. First and foremost: low weight (all hail Colin Chapman). Preferably the bike would weigh no more than about three times what I do, meaning it would tip the scales at 190kg soaking wet. That would give "normal" riders a chance of maneuvering the thing on trails and in the muck. And picking it up when it inevitably falls over.

Next: reasonable torque and horsepower, in that order. Power is addictive, but less is needed when there's less bike to move. 8kg-m and 80ps would move a light bike with tremendous alacrity and economy. Certainly no more than 750cc should be needed. Third: simple, tough and functional bodywork and protection. Assume the bike is going to hit the ground and plan accordingly.

I think KTM could build this bike almost instantly by downsizing the 990 Adventure. Aprilia could do it too--they come darn close already with the Shiver 750 GT. It's too bad Yamaha had only one target in mind when they designed the new Super Tenere. They certainly have the talent to meet my specs!

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:48 pm

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:05 pm

think i'll stick to my niner...



It will still be able to go anywhere i want to go....

Apart from saving huge sum of money,I will have to register to a new forum if happen that i will buy the 1200ten in years to come.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:26 pm

QUOTE(TDMTAM @ Sun 28th Feb 2010, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Did anyone make any sense of what he was saying about the 270 degree crank? I couldnt.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:59 pm

Nor could he....was definitely struggling.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 07:08 pm

even if he weren't struggling, he wasn't really making much sense anyway. He seems to think that Yamaha took the 270 degree crank idea from the new R1. In stead of from the 15 year older TDM 850 MKII and TRX...
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:03 pm

QUOTE(muddy @ Sun 28th Feb 2010, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did anyone make any sense of what he was saying about the 270 degree crank? I couldnt.


I have understood that the 270 degree crank tries to create this "big bang" power delivery. Because the ignition of the two cylinders are so close together the rear wheel sees those two independent power pulses as a one big pulse. As these big power pulses ("big bangs")have rest time between them the rear tire regains its grip and is ready to receive next "big bang".

In usual inline 4 cylinder engines with regular ignition cycles the power delivery to the rear wheel is so smooth that the tire doesn't have enough time to regain it's grip to road surface. I really don't know what the guy in the video is about when he referring to the direct feel for the traction in 270 crank. Maybe someone can explain this and maybe correct me with this "big bang" if I'm writing bs.

Yamaha has also redesigned it's new r1 engine to obtain this "big bang" thing but I haven't studied it so much.



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QUOTE(Trapezoid @ Mon 1st Mar 2010, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have understood that the 270 degree crank tries to create this "big bang" power delivery. Because the ignition of the two cylinders are so close together the rear wheel sees those two independent power pulses as a one big pulse. As these big power pulses ("big bangs")have rest time between them the rear tire regains its grip and is ready to receive next "big bang".

In usual inline 4 cylinder engines with regular ignition cycles the power delivery to the rear wheel is so smooth that the tire doesn't have enough time to regain it's grip to road surface. I really don't know what the guy in the video is about when he referring to the direct feel for the traction in 270 crank. Maybe someone can explain this and maybe correct me with this "big bang" if I'm writing bs.

Yamaha has also redesigned it's new r1 engine to obtain this "big bang" thing but I haven't studied it so much.


The 270 crank is to recreate the feel of a v twin. Think of it this way, 360 degrees less 90 is 270. So with firing at 0 (360) and 270 you have a 90 degree spacing. Others may be able to be clearer?
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:14 am

Bit of info on the Tenere here

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 12:28 pm

QUOTE(graeme @ Mon 1st Mar 2010, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The 270 crank is to recreate the feel of a v twin. Think of it this way, 360 degrees less 90 is 270. So with firing at 0 (360) and 270 you have a 90 degree spacing. Others may be able to be clearer?
cheers Graeme


The question was more about the reasoning behind that configuration. I can understand that if you have to power pulses closer together, you get a bigger (270 degree) gap, but didn't fully understand his reason as to why Yamaha configure their twins this way. I'll listen again later and see if I get a better understanding second time around.

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