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#41 danbara

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 06:29 pm

ok the crank is finally out biggrin.gif

after 2 hours of unbolting and 2 liters of sweat it out

now I have few questions:

- if crank pins have number 1 and rods number 3 than bearing is supposed to be black but here they were green

actually all bearings are green (bike has never been overhauled, i bought it from my uncle so it is positive)

the numbers on rods are 5 3 N ( 3 is in the middle ) so according to manual there were wrong bearings in it doubtfull.gif

also manual said that if the oil clearance is out of spec ( 0.1 mm) the bearing should be replaced but what color to use ??

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 07:04 pm

here are some pic




case



crank with rods still on




2nd rod bearing ( the good one)




1st rod bearing ( notice the wear and damage)




complete assembly ( again notice the damage)


so my friends, what do u think about this paperweight of mine?

is it repairable or not?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:07 pm

Hard to tell from this distance but that depends if there are oversize shell bearings big enough once the damage is removed.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:21 pm

About the bearing codes. Need to see pics of what numbers you are using please.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:52 pm

Dunno if this info from parts file is any good

3LD-11416-00-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR BLUE
3LD-11416-10-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR BLACK
3LD-11416-20-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR BROWN
3LD-11416-30-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR GREEN
3LD-11416-40-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR YELLOW
3LD-11416-50-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR PINK
3LD-11416-60-00 PLANE BRNG, CRSF 1CRANKSHAFT 1 . . .6UR RED


3LD-11656-00-00 PLANE BEARING, CONNECTING ROD . . .4UR BLUE
3LD-11656-10-00 PLANE BEARING, CONNECTING ROD . . .4UR BLACK
3LD-11656-20-00 PLANE BEARING, CONNECTING ROD . . .4UR BROWN
3LD-11656-30-00 PLANE BEARING, CONNECTING ROD . . .4UR GREEN

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:27 pm

Is pink metric or imperial? blink.gif
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:13 pm

in crank assembly pic u can see code on piston rod it is 5 3 n

and on the crankshaft code is 11 232 - don't have a picture with that code on



second rod number is visible, and it is the same on both

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:30 pm

What you think is a 3 might be a B ....impossible to see from them there pics. Not sure where you are getting crankshaft code from? On the crankcase or from the crankshaft web? Don't suppose it matters too much if you need to repair yer crankshaft anyway.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 06:57 am

the whole crankshaft assembly is sent to the machine shop and the guy was really optimistic

the code 11 232 is from the crankshaft web, I couldn't find the number on the casing

is it in the front of the lower case or ?

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 07:09 am

QUOTE(danbara @ Mon 14th Jun 2010, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the code 11 232 is from the crankshaft web


OK thats good.

QUOTE(danbara @ Mon 14th Jun 2010, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the guy was really optimistic


Nothing like a bit of optimism. good.gif smile.gif


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Posted 15 June 2010 - 12:33 pm

got the invoice from machinist

160 euro for crankshaft and rods repair + new big end shells

it will be finished in Friday so I'll post pics of that repair


question:

should I replace main shells as well?

Edited by danbara, 15 June 2010 - 12:36 pm.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 12:38 pm

After all that work, I would replace the mains foo shooo.

What repair did he make?
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 12:55 pm

had to polish rod pins on crankshaft,
repair rods since both were pretty scratched ( put them into right measure)
find and installed new shells to those now oversized rods and undersized pins

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 05:07 pm

QUOTE(danbara @ Tue 15th Jun 2010, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
had to polish rod pins on crankshaft,
repair rods since both were pretty scratched ( put them into right measure)
find and installed new shells to those now oversized rods and undersized pins


BUT excl.gif have you found out why the bearings failed in the first place. Oil pressure? Oil Pump no good? ? Blocked oilway/pickup ? or just no oil. ohmy.gif

Whilst the engine is out check both pumps and the relief valve. any unusual bits of metal found in engine ?

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:10 pm

QUOTE(leehenty @ Tue 15th Jun 2010, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BUT excl.gif have you found out why the bearings failed in the first place. Oil pressure? Oil Pump no good? ? Blocked oilway/pickup ? or just no oil. ohmy.gif

Whilst the engine is out check both pumps and the relief valve. any unusual bits of metal found in engine ?



Lee my good friend, pop yer readin specs on and point 'em towards the first message in this topic tongue.gif

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 04:31 pm

picked up crankshaft. paid 160 euro for repair

mashinist had to take 2 tenth of milimeter from rod pins and rodīs and install new shellīs

i will plastiguage it to check the clearance.

the funny thing is that now a guy is offering me 1996 4tx engine for 125 euro so Iīm thinking of buying that as well but now there is a question:

- what do I have to change on bike frame to install 4tx engine?
should i change ignition coil or????

any piece of advice

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:12 pm

QUOTE(Studley Ramrod @ Tue 15th Jun 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lee my good friend, pop yer readin specs on and point 'em towards the first message in this topic tongue.gif

He runned out eroil ! He did.

So much to read, and so little time laugh.gif


That's what yer get for jumping in a thread halfway through, rolleyes.gif looks like he needs one of the oil pressure switches and light so he can see it has no oil next time. Still got four left.

Edited by leehenty, 21 June 2010 - 09:12 pm.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 09:23 am

QUOTE(danbara @ Mon 21st Jun 2010, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
picked up crankshaft. paid 160 euro for repair

mashinist had to take 2 tenth of milimeter from rod pins and rodīs and install new shellīs

i will plastiguage it to check the clearance.

the funny thing is that now a guy is offering me 1996 4tx engine for 125 euro so Iīm thinking of buying that as well but now there is a question:

- what do I have to change on bike frame to install 4tx engine?
should i change ignition coil or????

any piece of advice


There is some info on here somewhere, I think you might need the wiring loom, ecu/cdi unit and some messing about with the oil tank. The carbs are slightly different but may not be a problem.

I think TonyD might be able to tell you more. Sorry not much help really !

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:55 pm

I did plastiguage measurement of main's and rod shell's and it seams to be ok










question:

I can't get my hands on yamabond but is it possible to put that red bonding staff called red rtv silicon gasket maker?

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:18 pm

I used black RTV (it were one of the loctite products) on mine 25,000+ miles ago and we aint fallen to bits yet....though we might any day now. smile.gif
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