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Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:27 am

QUOTE(harvey krumpet @ Sat 17th Jul 2010, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's just too heavy, expensive & breakable. I would rather put knobblies & engine bars on my 850. (I've thought about it often enough) I suspect in time we will see more middle weight adventure bikes being produced & gaining market share from the behemoths. IMHO.


Already happening - e.g., F800GS taking market share from the 1200GS. I'm sure more to follow.

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:31 am

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I love mine , feels lighter than the 9er to ride with lots more power better suspension etc etc etc.

I think i will keep this for many many years.

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Good on ya. Big adventure bikes fill me with fear & doubt of my riding abilities ( that little mental mantra "don't drop it!") but also encourage my mud pig leanings. A recipe for disaster with me at the bars. I get the impression your bike is already 50 polishes better than new wub.gif

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:41 am

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Already happening - e.g., F800GS taking market share from the 1200GS. I'm sure more to follow.


I had a sit on one during the summer. I was impressed by many things but the seating position really cramped my knees which was a big surprise after a 5 hour ride on the TDM.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 10:27 pm

QUOTE(harvey krumpet @ Sat 17th Jul 2010, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good on ya. Big adventure bikes fill me with fear & doubt of my riding abilities ( that little mental mantra "don't drop it!") but also encourage my mud pig leanings. A recipe for disaster with me at the bars. I get the impression your bike is already 50 polishes better than new wub.gif

Out on the fire trails on the weekend with 25 other bikes and the Traction control works so well that even on loose stuff you just cannot get into trouble getting out of corners, in setting one it just stays dead straight and accelerates, in setting 2 you get a little bit of sideways action but still not enough to get into trouble. Just magic, they have done such a good building this bike.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 10:36 pm

down to £12'100 in dealers, new.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 09:10 am

QUOTE(AussieTeeDeeMmm @ Sun 18th Jul 2010, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Out on the fire trails on the weekend with 25 other bikes and the Traction control works so well that even on loose stuff you just cannot get into trouble getting out of corners, in setting one it just stays dead straight and accelerates, in setting 2 you get a little bit of sideways action but still not enough to get into trouble. Just magic, they have done such a good building this bike.

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Ya 'Spike' whose a member on the XTZ site here in Gr8 Britain said the traction control and abs was brilliant and some of the techie journalist types reckon they can disable the abs completely by pulling a fuse out or alternatively they can add an aftermarket switch to do the same. sounds loike a good bike but oil be interested to see how much they are new and used in 12 months time.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 10:29 pm

QUOTE(AussieTeeDeeMmm @ Sun 18th Jul 2010, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Out on the fire trails on the weekend with 25 other bikes and the Traction control works so well that even on loose stuff you just cannot get into trouble getting out of corners, in setting one it just stays dead straight and accelerates, in setting 2 you get a little bit of sideways action but still not enough to get into trouble. Just magic, they have done such a good building this bike.

Cheers Rick


Your swaying me Rick.. good.gif

How doe's it feel under braking on the loose? Downhill corners on gravel really hammers home the weight of my 850 ( & my road tyres ).

Doh! ABS.....

Edited by harvey krumpet, 20 July 2010 - 03:55 am.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:56 am

Would this be your cup of tea?
http://www.australia.....june 2011.pdf

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:12 am

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Would this be your cup of tea?
http://www.australia.....june 2011.pdf

I have seen that and it interesting but pretty expensive, I did have a couple of different trips in mind next year probably over a bit longer distance and time.

So far i have not had the "BMUU run away freight train brakes" yet so maybe yamaha had this one right. i did read if you have the bike on the stand and spin the wheel in 2nd gear it disables the ABS until the next ignition cycle but have not tried it yet myself.



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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:31 pm

Passing 'Red Zone' in Dublin today and I called in. They have an XT1200 in stock 'First Edition' ...mmmm...does that mean they plan to come out with another edition to fix the 'bugs'? It's a lovely bike but standing looking at it I asked myself would I part with that much cash for this bike or keep my two grands worth of TDM850 ... 'fraid the 850 wins hands-down laugh.gif
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:26 pm

Too bloody heavy to really be any good off-road. Dare I say it here? An F800GS would be a better all-rounder I think. hide.gif

I'll be sticking with the 9er with dual purpose tyres fitted. good.gif

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:30 pm

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Too bloody heavy to really be any good off-road. Dare I say it here? An F800GS would be a better all-rounder I think. hide.gif

I'll be sticking with the 9er with dual porpose tyres fitted. good.gif

i agree.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:17 pm

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Too bloody heavy to really be any good off-road. Dare I say it here? An F800GS would be a better all-rounder I think. hide.gif


Just as a matter of interest these guys www.adventure-spec.com were at the recent Horizons meet at Ripley showing prototype petrol tank saddles to extend the range of the GS800 by a further 9 litres on top of the std 18 litres. Indicative prices less than half that of the touratec offering.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:37 pm

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Just as a matter of interest these guys www.adventure-spec.com were at the recent Horizons meet at Ripley showing prototype petrol tank saddles to extend the range of the GS800 by a further 9 litres on top of the std 18 litres. Indicative prices less than half that of the touratec offering.

fine if ya really need the extra range ???? Emmett's 800 GS is amazing on fuel and with the stock tank he feels it's enuf.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:57 am

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Too bloody heavy to really be any good off-road. Dare I say it here? An F800GS would be a better all-rounder I think. hide.gif

I'll be sticking with the 9er with dual purpose tyres fitted. good.gif
All i can say is i have had it off road and it is better than you would expect, Too many issues to bother even looking at a BM troubleU. The only comparison i could do with the TDM900 is price as that is the only point it wins on otherwise every other point the S10 is far better.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:32 am

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down to £12'100 in dealers, new.


Now isn't that interesting...had they done that three months ago I might have considered it along side the KTM...too late now though Mr Yamaha! Putting the price down AFTER everyone has already bought new bikes for this season, is a tad fucking stupid IMHO.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:19 am

Carrick Yamaha in Edinburgh have a demo Super Tenere for 2 days and I've booked a test ride this morning. Anyone interested should phone in and book a time as they only have it today and tomorrow.

I don't think I'll be getting rid of my F800GS, I'd probably swap My TDM for it, but I don't have the £11,500 extra the trade in would cost.

I'm not in any way affilliated with Carrick Yamaha, just thought some people here might be interested.

My F800GS has a better tank range than Minty Hippos TDM900, and nearly as much as my Fathers 1200gs. If that's not enough Touratech have an auxiliary tank that goes where the petrol tank is on ordinary bike, I think it costs £12,000,000 or thereabouts, but you could always strap a jerry can to the pillion seat.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:54 am

My mate and I went away camping, he was a F800GS, I was on the KTM 990 Adventure...WE both filled up at the same time. What was then noticiable was when he said he'd got about 100 miles left in his tank, and I had about....




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so we filled up. His fuel bill was about £4.50 less than mine!...on the same 150 mile journey!!! Ouch.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 01:02 pm

Yamaha have been sending an S10 round the dealers to let cusomers have a test ride. Ride On in Glasgow had it on Wed/Thurs this week and I took it out for a couple of hours on Wed morning. Took the wife along as well to get a pillion's perspective.

First thing to say is that this is a very easy bike to ride. As soon as you're moving the weight just disappears. The steering is light and easy and the handling is excellent. The suspension was good, brakes powerful but with good feel. Riding position was very relaxed and the seat much more comfortable than my Mk11. The screen did a great job of keeping the wind off me and no issues with wind noise or buffeting. The power delivery from the engine was smooth and pretty linear with no discernable steps anywhere in the rev range. Th bike has two power modes, touring and sport, but there's not much difference between them. Pick-up in touring mode is a little smoother but I think it's a bit of a gimmick.

There weren't many things I didn't like about the bike but the position of the rear brake pedal was one of them . The pedal itself is pretty small and it's tucked in close the engine. The only way to operate it was to lift my foot off the footrest and hovver it over the brake while pressing down. Not ideal. There were also a few issues about the engine. It was pretty rough in places and at various points the mirrors would blur or you would get some very interesting vibrations through the seat. There was also a bit of a flat spot between 3 -35000 revs, nothing major but noticeable. None of this was mentioned in any of the road tests I've read. Stevie at Ride On reckons that the bike's been extensively abused by the press before being handed out for the potential customers to try and is need of some TLC and a good service. You would have thought if Yamaha were really interested in selling this very expensive bike they would at least have had the good sense to have it well prepped to make as good an impression as possible.

As far as the pillion side is concerned the wife had no complaints. She appreciated the extra room and slightly higher seat that allowed her to have a better view. The seat was more comfortable than the Mk11 and she got less buffeting and wind noise. She did say that at 80mph the wind was creating a bit of vibration in her helmet but that would probably disappear with a bit of tinkering with the screen.

So, all in all a very enjoyable 2hr ride but nothing more than that. The bike did everything expected of it but I wasn't excited by it. I appreciated the extra power for overtaking and the comfort but I didn't get off it wishing I could have another two hours on it. I think if you are going to spend £13,500 on a bike it would have to get you excited and grinning like a lunatic at the end of the ride and trying to work out ways to justify buyng it. That didn't happen and I'll be sticking with the TDM.

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Stevie at Ride On reckons that the bike's been extensively abused by the press before being handed out for the potential customers to try and is need of some TLC and a good service. You would have thought if Yamaha were really interested in selling this very expensive bike they would at least have had the good sense to have it well prepped to make as good an impression as possible.

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good write up.

Wouldn't you think? I went to a major Renault test drive day - run by Renault, not a dealer. All the cars rattled, and their comment too...I won't type what I said, I'd be banned. Needless to say I didn't by a Renault, it merely confirmed the crappynessness of the interior build. So the Yam enjin runs rough...I won't bother then, if they can't be arsed, I'm sure I can't.

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