
Stormy Waters
#1
Posted 16 November 2010 - 11:46 am
http://www.dailymail...torcyclist.html
200 hours community service and banned from driving for two years!!!!
Feckin livid
Roy
#2
Posted 16 November 2010 - 11:52 am
that is a fucking disgrace!

can prosecutors appeal against the sentance?
imo death by dangerous driving should be treated the same way as manslaughter
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#3
Posted 16 November 2010 - 11:56 am



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An I love the way that the Mail is "We are no longer accepting comments on this article."
Has anyone read the comments...
- James, Burnley, 13/11/2010 8:17"
Who's was the reply - very well put!!!
Edited by dmmsta, 16 November 2010 - 12:02 pm.

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#4
Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:01 pm
that is a fucking disgrace!

can prosecutors appeal against the sentance?
imo death by dangerous driving should be treated the same way as manslaughter
Have a read at this
http://www.cps.gov.u...ient_sentences/
My letter of complaint was in the post over the weekend, The address and a copy is shown below
District Crown Prosecutor,
CPS Thorpe Wood,
Peterborough,
PE1 2SD.
Date: 11th November 2010.
For the attention of Mr Graham Dalley
Dear Mr Dalley,
Unduly Lenient Sentence.
On the 3rd October 2009 a friend of mine, Michael Waters, was killed in a road traffic accident at the junction of the B660 and A14, police reference CF0095460310. Michael Frost the driver of the car involved in the accident was charged and found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving in October this year. Judge Sean Enright sentenced Mr Frost on The 10th November 2010 at Peterborough Crown Court, I understand the court reference No is 35CU/50164/10.
Mr Frost’s sentence was a 51-week prison sentence suspended for two years, 200 hours community service and asked to pay court costs. I consider this to be unduly lenient given the seriousness of the offence and far below the penalties recommended in Section 1 RTA 1988 which are 1 to 14 years in prison, and disqualified for a minimum of two years. I ask that you refer this case to the Attorney General.
Yours Faithfully
Roy Gartside
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#5
Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:03 pm
http://www.cps.gov.u...ient_sentences/
My letter of complaint was in the post over the weekend, The address and a copy is shown below
District Crown Prosecutor,
CPS Thorpe Wood,
Peterborough,
PE1 2SD.
Date: 11th November 2010.
For the attention of Mr Graham Dalley
Dear Mr Dalley,
Unduly Lenient Sentence.
On the 3rd October 2009 a friend of mine, Michael Waters, was killed in a road traffic accident at the junction of the B660 and A14, police reference CF0095460310. Michael Frost the driver of the car involved in the accident was charged and found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving in October this year. Judge Sean Enright sentenced Mr Frost on The 10th November 2010 at Peterborough Crown Court, I understand the court reference No is 35CU/50164/10.
Mr Frost’s sentence was a 51-week prison sentence suspended for two years, 200 hours community service and asked to pay court costs. I consider this to be unduly lenient given the seriousness of the offence and far below the penalties recommended in Section 1 RTA 1988 which are 1 to 14 years in prison, and disqualified for a minimum of two years. I ask that you refer this case to the Attorney General.
Yours Faithfully
Roy Gartside
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is there any benefit to other people also sending in requests for the attorney general to review?
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#6
Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:10 pm


is there any benefit to other people also sending in requests for the attorney general to review?
The more complaints the CPS receive could possibly make a difference.
The only thing I would ask is that letters are civil... no effing and jeffing.

Roy
#7
Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:05 pm
Blue 04 TDM,PR2 rear Roadsmart front, Yamaha topox, Givi E360 panniers, PL pannier holders, BMW handguards, Yamaha touring screen, Scottoiler, 12v ciggie socket, carbon core HT leads
Gorn
#8
Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:21 pm
that is a fucking disgrace!

can prosecutors appeal against the sentance?
imo death by dangerous driving should be treated the same way as manslaughter

I think the prosecutors/police can appeal against a too lenient sentence.
Thanks for letting us know Roy, if there's anything we can do to help in getting this scum the sentence he deserves, I'm sure it's no trouble for any of us here.
I also think the ins. companies, all of 'em, should refuse point blank to insure anyone found guilty of death by dangerous driving and they should be banned from driving for ever.
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#9
Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:26 pm
Did get a ban, but only 2yrs.
Should have been permanent...

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Fuel Pipes
Givi Top Box
Renthal 758's
Grip Puppies
MRA Bubble
Dip & Hi HIDs
To-Do:
LED DRLs
Loobman
Powercoat Wheels
Hand Guards
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#10
Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:35 pm
When a biker does 160mph he gets six months inside as he may have had a bad accident at that speed, not that he did but he could have done.
When a car driver kills a motorcyclist by dangerous driving, he gets away with a fine. WTF
Makes my fucking sick but it happens all the time, MAG BMF etc. should get of their arses and do something. I've quit membership of both these organisations as they do fuck all for our cause!
#11
Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:51 pm
Should have been permanent...
Didn't see that, too busy picturing in my mind what took place that day, but yeah, 2 years is not enough.
Blue 04 TDM,PR2 rear Roadsmart front, Yamaha topox, Givi E360 panniers, PL pannier holders, BMW handguards, Yamaha touring screen, Scottoiler, 12v ciggie socket, carbon core HT leads
Gorn
#12
Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:14 pm

Looking at the link, it appears that motoring offences are not included in those that may be appealed on the ground of undue leniency. Be interested to hear their response.
Stu
#13
Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:38 pm

Looking at the link, it appears that motoring offences are not included in those that may be appealed on the ground of undue leniency. Be interested to hear their response.
Looking at the bottom of the page on the CPS web site we have ....
Examples
At the Old Bailey, a defendant was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and ordered to do community service. The CPS referred the case to the Attorney General, who referred it to the Court of Appeal. The sentence was increased to a prison sentence of three and a half years.
Roy
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#14
Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:56 pm
Examples
At the Old Bailey, a defendant was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and ordered to do community service. The CPS referred the case to the Attorney General, who referred it to the Court of Appeal. The sentence was increased to a prison sentence of three and a half years.
Roy
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although it could never make up for the loss of Mikes life, that sentance would be a reasonable punishment
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#15
Posted 16 November 2010 - 03:24 pm
That is the sad part Tony, whatever happens it wont bring Mike back but I feal I owe it to him to try to make the t**t who killed him suffer as much as legally possible. Maybe then he will realise that it isnt 'just another biker' he has killed by driving dangerously but a son, father, grandfather, future husband and a really nice guy. Mike told me a few weeks before he was killed that his daughter was pregnant with his second grandchild, a lovely little girl he never saw.
Roy
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#16
Posted 16 November 2010 - 06:25 pm
1967 Yamaha TD1C 250, 2014 Kawasaki W800, 2011 Aprilia Tuono 1000 V4, 2020 Yamaha XSR900
"At the cutting edge of technophobia"
#17
Posted 16 November 2010 - 06:30 pm
R.I.P Mike

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#18
Posted 16 November 2010 - 07:02 pm
R.I.P Mike

I agree with your comments Moose. R.I.P Stormy

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#19
Posted 16 November 2010 - 07:22 pm
1992 Mk1, 76k miles, Hagon springs, MTC exhaust, 4½ gears Gone now
2009 900 abs, 42k miles, Yamaha heated grips, double bubble screen, R&G crash bungs, scottoiler, Autocom, 1500 lumen LED spotlights.
#20
Posted 16 November 2010 - 08:20 pm
Although they don't necessarily get long bans, new drivers have to re-take their test if they get 6 points on their licence in the first two years of driving, even if they were minor infringements - so whats wrong with banning and making older drivers do the same if they cause a serious accident? I wonder what his sentence would have been had he reversed up onto a pavement and killed a child or elderly person?
Like it or not, many non-motorcyclists reading that article will just shrug their shoulders and say motor bikes are dangerous and we know what the potential consequences are, even though 8 out of 10 accidents involving bikes and other vehicles are proven to be the other vehicles fault! They will still continue to drive their cages listening to the radio, playing with their phones or be distracted by kids on a school run (my real big hate) without giving a shit about other road users or the potential consequences of their lack of concentration

RIP Stormy; I only ever met him once but he seemed a really nice guy and knew a hell of alot about bikes
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