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#61 RoyG

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 02:50 pm

QUOTE(muddy @ Fri 3rd Dec 2010, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

..... Giving birth is inherently dangerous, so if this bloke's wife happened to die giving birth because a doctor or nurse screwed up, would his reaction then be: 'well it's sad, but she knew the risks'. If he were a reasonable, responsible bloke with a ticking heart, he would expect a level of competency on the part of the medic and would push to get the person responsible punished as severely as possible and struck off in order that others don't have to suffer the same loss and to deter future incompetency.

I like that one

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#62 MattG

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 04:12 pm

I sent one of these in the time limit. Hope it helps to get a little justice.

MattG

QUOTE(Geordie Guy @ Sat 27th Nov 2010, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have had a reply off the CPS, saying just that, and saying that we can also write direct to the Attorney-Generals office to request that he refers this case to the Court of Appeal as a potential unduly lenient sentence.

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You only have 28 days. since the 10th November. Cut, Paste and post.

Attorney General's Office
20 Victoria Street
London
SW1H 0NF

Date: 29th November 2010.

For the attention of Mr Dominic Grieve

Dear Mr Grieve,
Potentially Unduly Lenient Sentence.

On the 3rd October 2009 a friend of mine, Michael Waters, was killed in a road traffic accident at the junction of the B660 and A14, police reference CF0095460310. Michael Frost the driver of the car involved in the accident was charged and found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving in October this year. Judge Sean Enright sentenced Mr Frost on The 10th November 2010 at Peterborough Crown Court, I understand the court reference No is 35CU/50164/10.

Mr Frost’s sentence was a 51-week prison sentence suspended for two years, 200 hours community service and asked to pay court costs. I consider this to be unduly lenient given the seriousness of the offense and far below the penalties recommended in Section 1 RTA 1988 which are 1 to 14 years in prison, and disqualified for a minimum of two years.

I respectfully request that you refer this case to the Court of Appeal as a potential unduly lenient sentence.
Yours Faithfully

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#63 RoyG

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:25 pm

QUOTE(MattG @ Fri 3rd Dec 2010, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sent one of these in the time limit. Hope it helps to get a little justice.

MattG

I had a reply from both the CPS and the Attorney Generals Office.
The AGO has asked the CPS for all the information regarding the sentence.

Roy
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#64 Geordie Guy

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:23 pm

QUOTE(RoyG @ Fri 3rd Dec 2010, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I had a reply from both the CPS and the Attorney Generals Office.
The AGO has asked the CPS for all the information regarding the sentence.

Roy
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Me too.

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#65 trevini

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:52 pm

Same here. Arrived this morning.

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#66 Moose

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 09:24 pm

Not got nowt here yet

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#67 nickhlx

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 06:34 pm

Not from these parts.... I (used ) to ride an FJR1300, ( and will again, when I can ride again) before some blonde woman doing a school run ( from my kids school !!!) knocked me off on a sunny afternoon on May 2nd 2009, near RAF Odiham - I died twice at the roadside, took 90 mins for the ambulance to stabilise me, to get me into the ambulance, and a further 90 mins to get me stable enough to move to hospital. I was in Frimley Park (excellent) for 6 weeks and Salisbury Hospital burns unit (also excellent) for a week for grafts... and am still in a wheelchair, recovering very slowly - last operation was a fortnight ago.

My dear wife has advanced MS, I am her carer, we have lost the last two years of her life (and mine) and the "lady" ( Blonde, 4x4, school run) pleaded 100% guilty on the morning of the court hearing in November 2009, 7 months after the offence. I had 12 witnesses, all saying I was riding courteously and within the limit ( 40 in a 50) and she got 5 points and a £200 fine. The Police were as gutted as me. And then Carole Nash said I hadn't advised them of all my accessories, which I definitely had, as sales printed them off for me, but they wouldn't pay out - £3000+ pounds worth !

I just read this thread through, after I came across a link, and thought I too would write to the Attorney General, which I have now done, as I too was grossly
mistreated - blood still boiling in fact...

Nick

Edited by nickhlx, 07 December 2010 - 06:37 pm.

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#68 jdelfino

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 07:52 pm

Nick, hope we can see you riding again!

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#69 MattG

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 07:58 pm

My reply came in the post today. Hope we have done some good.

Nick, glad you made it. The law in this country really is an ass! Hope we can meet you when you are out for a ride sometime in the not too distant future!

Matt G

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#70 muddy

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 08:39 pm

QUOTE(nickhlx @ Tue 7th Dec 2010, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not from these parts.... I (used ) to ride an FJR1300, ( and will again, when I can ride again) before some blonde woman doing a school run ( from my kids school !!!) knocked me off on a sunny afternoon on May 2nd 2009, near RAF Odiham - I died twice at the roadside, took 90 mins for the ambulance to stabilise me, to get me into the ambulance, and a further 90 mins to get me stable enough to move to hospital. I was in Frimley Park (excellent) for 6 weeks and Salisbury Hospital burns unit (also excellent) for a week for grafts... and am still in a wheelchair, recovering very slowly - last operation was a fortnight ago.

My dear wife has advanced MS, I am her carer, we have lost the last two years of her life (and mine) and the "lady" ( Blonde, 4x4, school run) pleaded 100% guilty on the morning of the court hearing in November 2009, 7 months after the offence. I had 12 witnesses, all saying I was riding courteously and within the limit ( 40 in a 50) and she got 5 points and a £200 fine. The Police were as gutted as me. And then Carole Nash said I hadn't advised them of all my accessories, which I definitely had, as sales printed them off for me, but they wouldn't pay out - £3000+ pounds worth !

I just read this thread through, after I came across a link, and thought I too would write to the Attorney General, which I have now done, as I too was grossly
mistreated - blood still boiling in fact...

Nick

That's a diabolical story. I hope you're getting better and will get to ride again. Any chances of taking out a civil case against this woman for compensation?

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#71 nickhlx

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:43 pm

QUOTE(muddy @ Tue 7th Dec 2010, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's a diabolical story. I hope you're getting better and will get to ride again. Any chances of taking out a civil case against this woman for compensation?

Thanks guys...

I can't say much at this point as my case is ongoing.... we'll see what happens, probably around mid 2011 and what compensation I will be in line for - if its under expectations, I may press for more, but you can probably understand it is all pretty wearing and I can't personally afford to go up paths where I have to pay if I fail...

I really have had a gutful of it all and just want to be "normal" again, IYSWIM....

Be good to meet up with some of you guys though... I have had my replacement FJR for 16 months and its not moved an inch yet !!

Nick

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#72 trevini

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 06:38 pm

Got another letter from the AGO today....not good news.

"Having carefully reviewed this case, the Solicitor General has concluded that the sentence was not unduly lenient. He has therefore decided not to refer the case to the court of appeal"

Fu@~#ng To$$ers.

I'm so sorry for Mike's family. Must be really tough on them.

2004 Galaxy Blue. Owned since 486 miles.Renthal 755 bars, Bagster tank cover, Oxford heated grips, DL650 hand guards, Double Bubble screen, Scorpion Rad guard, Gel pad insert, HLD undertray, Angry Badger tailtidy, Roadsmart 4s, Givi E21s, E46 topbox, Ohlins shock and YSS cartridge emulators Currently not fitted - PC3, Remus Revolutions.

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#73 MattG

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 06:47 pm

QUOTE(trevini @ Fri 10th Dec 2010, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Got another letter from the AGO today....not good news.

"Having carefully reviewed this case, the Solicitor General has concluded that the sentence was not unduly lenient. He has therefore decided not to refer the case to the court of appeal"

Fu@~#ng To$$ers.

I'm so sorry for Mike's family. Must be really tough on them.

Fcuking Bastards, I really don't understand our legal system. The Solicitor General is obviously a total cnut!!!!!!!

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#74 Moose

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 06:59 pm

Just as a contrast for ya

My mum is now registered disabled after suffering for the last 15 - 20 years with Osteoporosis, Angina and a twisted spine.
10 years ago she started doing a little cash in hand job at her local football club working at the bar, whilst getting disability and JSA.
Now I know as well as she does that this is wrong but no one harmed or put out by it.

Today she had to go to crown court for Fraud and Deception charges, pleaded guilty and was duely dealt with.

She got 300 hours community service, £300 fine and £250 costs and 50 days imprisonment suspended for 2 years.

Shes a 61 year old invalid and would hurt no one there's ya justice system right there.

I feel very sadened for Mikes family and hope they find consolation in the fact that Mikes killer will hopefully die soon

R.I.P Mike

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#75 Geordie Guy

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 07:25 pm

QUOTE(trevini @ Fri 10th Dec 2010, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Got another letter from the AGO today....not good news.

Words fail me ........ !

I hope that twat who got off, has f*cking nightmares for the rest of his miserable life.

And I hope Mike is f*cking waiting for him. ....... B@stard.

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#76 wicklamulla

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 08:09 pm

RIP Stormy.

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#77 celticbiker

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 10:18 pm

I don't condone or want to incite violence but if we know/can find out where this guy lives could we not organise a week long rotating(different people every day) GTG in the area on the anniversary(every year) and follow him everywhere he goes so he never forgets.
So long as we swap every time he stops or every half hour or something nobody would get in trouble and with any luck it will scare the bejesus out of him.

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#78 BarneyS

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 10:35 pm

A small humble opinion;

Stop, think, remember the good times with Mike.

Let the bile go down the gutter, we can't help the fella now, however loved he is.

Just a thought from me.

Edited by Epirb, 10 December 2010 - 10:36 pm.

It went E,S,E,S,A

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#79 wicklamulla

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 10:36 pm

RIP Stormy.

~~spyball alarm/immob,~~ bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"~~NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light~~ indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.

I loike tay and hang sangwiches !

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