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#1 Minty Hippo

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:51 pm

Just in case anyone else has had the same trouble as me with the cold start seizing, here's some info for this time of year.

There's a spring loaded brass bar by the injectors. When the bike's cold the bar is fully to the right (i.e. in the cold start position). After the engine is started and the temperature begins to rise, a wax element inside the coldstart mechanism expands and gradually moves the brass bar across to the left. If you give it a push here (see RHS view) while the engine is running the revs should drop as it moves in. Its full movement when cold should be around 20mm.

The brass bar can seize in its mount, the effect being that starting from cold in the winter may be difficult. All you need to do is spray with WD40 or light oil after cleaning to keep it mobile. (Grease may be too heavy to allow it to operate freely?) If yours has seized (like mine was) spray the area with penetrating oil and push - or in my case give it a gentle tap from the left hand side (see LHS view) with a piece of wood propelled by a hammer. If its moving OK and the cold start still does not operate I have heard that the wax element can fail - but that's another story.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 04:53 pm

Nice one Minty

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 08:12 pm

Good one. Had exactly that problem on my 900 and fixed it by the same method.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 08:18 pm

Good diagnosis Minty m' bhoy...............you should let Yamaha see that........ huh.gif

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 04:40 pm

I love this forum!

I'll bear that one in mind for future problems!

I love this forum!

I'll bear that one in mind for future problems!


Thanks Mr Minty

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:05 pm

Have had the same problem on my 900 on a few occasions. Need to find a more permanent cure, as WD40 only works for a short while. It seems to be worse now I don't use the bike as often.

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 11:15 pm

Top info minty. I shall be applying a spot of ACF50 asap. Many thanks old chap good.gif
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Posted 11 November 2006 - 09:25 pm

I thought I'd posted this solution yonks ago? I know somebody contacted me last year for a more detailed discription which I sent to them. It needs repeating though especially at this time of year so nice one Minty.

Without changing the whole choke system the way to recitfy it is to lift the fuel tank, remove the air filter - so you can see the whole set up. Then clean all the crude from around it and grease the the two sliding arms. Then a good squirt of WD40 all around. Yamaha told me that you should use a graphite type WD40 spray. They are aware of this problem but as always they do bugger all about it. Now how many years has it taken for them to get to the bottom of the idle problem? Must have mentioned it every service for the past 3 years!

Don't forget to add this malarky to your list of maintenance chores on the TDM!!!!!

Edited by Neil, 11 November 2006 - 09:26 pm.


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Posted 12 November 2006 - 12:31 am

Good stuff Minty Hippo !

Would you mind if i place it on my pages & add a french translation ? (w/ full credit of course).

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 05:54 pm

QUOTE(JBX @ Sun 12th Nov 2006, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good stuff Minty Hippo !

Would you mind if i place it on my pages & add a french translation ? (w/ full credit of course).

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 07:34 pm

QUOTE(Neil @ Sat 11th Nov 2006, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought I'd posted this solution yonks ago? I know somebody contacted me last year for a more detailed discription which I sent to them. It needs repeating though especially at this time of year so nice one Minty.

Without changing the whole choke system the way to recitfy it is to lift the fuel tank, remove the air filter - so you can see the whole set up. Then clean all the crude from around it and grease the the two sliding arms. Then a good squirt of WD40 all around. Yamaha told me that you should use a graphite type WD40 spray. They are aware of this problem but as always they do bugger all about it. Now how many years has it taken for them to get to the bottom of the idle problem? Must have mentioned it every service for the past 3 years!

Don't forget to add this malarky to your list of maintenance chores on the TDM!!!!!


Neil - remember reading your post re this problem on the old forum. Plagiarism is life's highest compliment.

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 07:50 pm

QUOTE(JBX @ Sun 12th Nov 2006, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good stuff Minty Hippo !

Would you mind if i place it on my pages & add a french translation ? (w/ full credit of course).


Oui, bien sur, je serais honore!!!! Mais est-ce que ma francais trop merde por truster-moi avec le translation? (C'est une question rhetoricale) Et pouvez-vous namecheck Alan Eccles (et Neil peut-etre) dans ce article s'il vous plait? Le petit est trop pissed off maintenant parce-qu'il est le bugger qui diagnose mon problem cold start dans the premier fois mais il n'a pas le credit ... il dit... il ne me parlera pas encore!!! tongue.gif

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 08:49 pm

QUOTE(Minty Hippo @ Sun 12th Nov 2006, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oui, bien sur, je serais honore!!!! Mais est-ce que ma francais trop merde por truster-moi avec le translation? (C'est une question rhetoricale) Et pouvez-vous namecheck Alan Eccles (et Neil peut-etre) dans ce article s'il vous plait? Le petit est trop pissed off maintenant parce-qu'il est le bugger qui diagnose mon problem cold start dans the premier fois mais il n'a pas le credit ... il dit... il ne me parlera pas encore!!! tongue.gif



"Alan Eccles" doesn't translate into that beautiful poetic French very well does it? wink.gif

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:29 pm

QUOTE(E.T. @ Sun 12th Nov 2006, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Alan Eccles" doesn't translate into that beautiful poetic French very well does it? wink.gif

You're right there ET but Le petit est trop pissed off sounds ok to moi........................cheers big man wink.gif

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 12:38 pm

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Neil - remember reading your post re this problem on the old forum. Plagiarism is life's highest compliment


No prob - better repeated; just making me feel old!

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 02:42 am

QUOTE(Minty Hippo @ Sun 12th Nov 2006, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oui, bien sur, je serais honore!!!! Mais est-ce que ma francais trop merde por truster-moi avec le translation? (C'est une question rhetoricale) Et pouvez-vous namecheck Alan Eccles (et Neil peut-etre) dans ce article s'il vous plait? Le petit est trop pissed off maintenant parce-qu'il est le bugger qui diagnose mon problem cold start dans the premier fois mais il n'a pas le credit ... il dit... il ne me parlera pas encore!!! tongue.gif


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Thanks Minty, everybody will be credited according to your wishes...

Worldwide celebrity & top models inside limos (or knocking your door at night) will soon be yours.

If you don't mind, i'll do the french translation by myself...your french is far too poetic for a technical article & i'm not sure to understand it very well ! blink.gif

Edited by JBX, 14 November 2006 - 02:48 am.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 03:02 pm

QUOTE(JBX @ Tue 14th Nov 2006, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Thanks Minty, everybody will be credited according to your wishes...

Worldwide celebrity & top models inside limos (or knocking your door at night) will soon be yours.

If you don't mind, i'll do the french translation by myself...your french is far too poetic for a technical article & i'm not sure to understand it very well ! blink.gif


You are too polite, I know my French is crap. Looking forward to meeting the models. rolleyes.gif

I still can't get your site in English on my PC at home even though I have allowed cookies...will just have to improve my French.

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 01:17 am

QUOTE(Minty Hippo @ Tue 14th Nov 2006, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are too polite, I know my French is crap. Looking forward to meeting the models. rolleyes.gif

I still can't get your site in English on my PC at home even though I have allowed cookies...will just have to improve my French.


Ok, the page is now also available on my site (french translation soon).

Thanx again Minty. smile.gif


Check cookies permission again on your home PC - might be easier than an alternate plan. rotflmmfao.gif

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 08:02 am

QUOTE(E.T. @ Sun 12th Nov 2006, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Alan Eccles" doesn't translate into that beautiful poetic French very well does it? wink.gif

Alain Patisserie-aux-Raisins-Secs? Sounds pretty aristocratic to me good.gif, with a bonus in the inevitable mispronunciation of the last part banana.gif

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Edited by Pict, 22 November 2006 - 08:09 am.

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 10:27 am

QUOTE(Pict @ Wed 22nd Nov 2006, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Alain Patisserie-aux-Raisins-Secs? Sounds pretty aristocratic to me good.gif, with a bonus in the inevitable mispronunciation of the last part banana.gif

There is of course an alternative interpretation of "Mr Pastry with dried-up grapes"? yahoo.gif rotflmmfao.gif

rotflmmfao.gif rotflmmfao.gif yahoo.gif banana.gif

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