QUOTE(Cats @ Mon 14th Nov 2011, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For those that never witnessed this terrible evening on the IOM
You lot make the average GS'er look like a teenager
Tdm Vs Gs
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#101
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:36 pm
You lot make the average GS'er look like a teenager
2007 BMW R1200GS Adventure
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#102
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:20 pm
Had my first decent run out on my new to me '09 TDM today accompanied by a Multistrada 1000 & BMW R1100GS.
First impressions
TDM is slower than the 'Strada & GS, half expected the Ducati to pull away but didn't expect the GS to go past as I'm red lining the TDM 'thru the gears
Snatchy below 3k then smooth all the way to red line, linear power delivery which while nice in todays slippy conditions could be a bit boring on a nice summers day.
Gearbox ...when cold a nastly clunk when engaging 1st ...bit of clutch drag when trying to find neutral... fine once warmed up.Top gear an overdrive, will be good for motorway work but a pain having to change down for overtakes...expected better top gear roll on from 60ish.
Seat comfy, plenty of leg room, handlebar position fine. Mirrors don't give much of a rear view, screen not high enough.
Brakes strong with loads of feel, not outstanding though....I won't be trying to outbrake a GS.
Suspension coped well enough with all types of road surface but mid corner bumps kicked me out of the seat a few times, slow to change direction & tendency to understeer. I've not checked/changed settings so maybe scope to improve.
Standard Dunlop tyres...if I could buy nothing else I would give up biking
For me the TDM is like a big Versys...not perfect at anything but good enough at everything that you overlook it's foibles & enjoy it for what it is.
Looks like it's a keeper
First impressions
TDM is slower than the 'Strada & GS, half expected the Ducati to pull away but didn't expect the GS to go past as I'm red lining the TDM 'thru the gears
Snatchy below 3k then smooth all the way to red line, linear power delivery which while nice in todays slippy conditions could be a bit boring on a nice summers day.
Gearbox ...when cold a nastly clunk when engaging 1st ...bit of clutch drag when trying to find neutral... fine once warmed up.Top gear an overdrive, will be good for motorway work but a pain having to change down for overtakes...expected better top gear roll on from 60ish.
Seat comfy, plenty of leg room, handlebar position fine. Mirrors don't give much of a rear view, screen not high enough.
Brakes strong with loads of feel, not outstanding though....I won't be trying to outbrake a GS.
Suspension coped well enough with all types of road surface but mid corner bumps kicked me out of the seat a few times, slow to change direction & tendency to understeer. I've not checked/changed settings so maybe scope to improve.
Standard Dunlop tyres...if I could buy nothing else I would give up biking
For me the TDM is like a big Versys...not perfect at anything but good enough at everything that you overlook it's foibles & enjoy it for what it is.
Looks like it's a keeper
Edited by Borderraider, 19 November 2011 - 05:25 pm.
2007 BMW R1200GS Adventure
2007 Kawasaki Versys 650
2009 Yamaha TDM 900
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2007 Kawasaki Versys 650
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2013 Kawasaki Versys 650
#103
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 04:58 pm
TDM's coming along nicely as I make it mine
Nothing that hasn't been done before
Luggage & high screen added, BMW h/guards, oxford heated grips, pryamid fender extender & 17" front wheel ready to be fitted.
Nothing that hasn't been done before
Luggage & high screen added, BMW h/guards, oxford heated grips, pryamid fender extender & 17" front wheel ready to be fitted.
Edited by Borderraider, 07 January 2012 - 05:02 pm.
2007 BMW R1200GS Adventure
2007 Kawasaki Versys 650
2009 Yamaha TDM 900
2013 Kawasaki Versys 650
2007 Kawasaki Versys 650
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2013 Kawasaki Versys 650
#104
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 05:59 pm
QUOTE(Borderraider @ Sat 7th Jan 2012, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TDM's coming along nicely as I make it mine
Nothing that hasn't been done before
Luggage & high screen added, BMW h/guards, oxford heated grips, pryamid fender extender & 17" front wheel ready to be fitted.
Nothing that hasn't been done before
Luggage & high screen added, BMW h/guards, oxford heated grips, pryamid fender extender & 17" front wheel ready to be fitted.
Noted the number 'Ham' by any chance????
For a challenging summer try the
Round Britain Rally.....
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#105
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:18 pm
QUOTE(Borderraider @ Sat 19th Nov 2011, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Had my first decent run out on my new to me '09 TDM today accompanied by a Multistrada 1000 & BMW R1100GS.
First impressions
TDM is slower than the 'Strada & GS, half expected the Ducati to pull away but didn't expect the GS to go past as I'm red lining the TDM 'thru the gears
Snatchy below 3k then smooth all the way to red line, linear power delivery which while nice in todays slippy conditions could be a bit boring on a nice summers day.
Gearbox ...when cold a nastly clunk when engaging 1st ...bit of clutch drag when trying to find neutral... fine once warmed up.Top gear an overdrive, will be good for motorway work but a pain having to change down for overtakes...expected better top gear roll on from 60ish.
Seat comfy, plenty of leg room, handlebar position fine. Mirrors don't give much of a rear view, screen not high enough.
Brakes strong with loads of feel, not outstanding though....I won't be trying to outbrake a GS.
Suspension coped well enough with all types of road surface but mid corner bumps kicked me out of the seat a few times, slow to change direction & tendency to understeer. I've not checked/changed settings so maybe scope to improve.
Standard Dunlop tyres...if I could buy nothing else I would give up biking
For me the TDM is like a big Versys...not perfect at anything but good enough at everything that you overlook it's foibles & enjoy it for what it is.
Looks like it's a keeper
First impressions
TDM is slower than the 'Strada & GS, half expected the Ducati to pull away but didn't expect the GS to go past as I'm red lining the TDM 'thru the gears
Snatchy below 3k then smooth all the way to red line, linear power delivery which while nice in todays slippy conditions could be a bit boring on a nice summers day.
Gearbox ...when cold a nastly clunk when engaging 1st ...bit of clutch drag when trying to find neutral... fine once warmed up.Top gear an overdrive, will be good for motorway work but a pain having to change down for overtakes...expected better top gear roll on from 60ish.
Seat comfy, plenty of leg room, handlebar position fine. Mirrors don't give much of a rear view, screen not high enough.
Brakes strong with loads of feel, not outstanding though....I won't be trying to outbrake a GS.
Suspension coped well enough with all types of road surface but mid corner bumps kicked me out of the seat a few times, slow to change direction & tendency to understeer. I've not checked/changed settings so maybe scope to improve.
Standard Dunlop tyres...if I could buy nothing else I would give up biking
For me the TDM is like a big Versys...not perfect at anything but good enough at everything that you overlook it's foibles & enjoy it for what it is.
Looks like it's a keeper
In my experience a 900 TDM will outrun an 1100GS by a whisker, having about the same power but being a bit lighter and easier revving. It's a close call though, esp since the boxer pulls stronger at low revs. The 1200 boxer is clearly stronger though.
I don't quite see why the TDM gets compared to a GS anyway: There is absolutely nothing on a TDM 900 that sets it apart as an adventure bike. OK, it's got an 18" front wheel, around 140 mm suspension travel, modest 160 rear tyre size and fairly wide handlebars but a Pan European has all those characteristics as well and those are rarely seen off-road (not intentional anyway)
That was not a banana, Dougal
#106
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:33 pm
Ivan is gonna love you in a 900 manly kind of way!!
#107
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:46 pm
QUOTE(Matt101 @ Sat 7th Jan 2012, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ivan is gonna love you in a 900 manly kind of way!!
Maybe I should have brushed out :-)
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#108
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:57 am
Not sure how I missed this thread until now, but here's my comparison, having 10k+ miles on the GSA now.
Overall rating: GSA hands down [not accounting cost issues].
Twisties: prefer the TDM, feels smaller, has more sport-oriented tires, 'race' suspension setup [stock was mushy IMO]. GSA does remarkably well once you work up the guts to lean it over, but just scarier to toss around.
Touring: GSA by a mile, comfier, more spacious, less vibration, more electrics, better weather protection all around, more raw power.
Daily driver: TDM for sure, more economical, smaller and hence easier.
Acceleration: Pretty sure the GSA beats it, feels quicker to me anyway.
Braking: GSA by a mile, so much so that when I get back on the TDM I can't believe how crappy the brakes are (yes, I have the blue dots).
Gearing: GSA, smoother, 6 speeds, low "enduro" first gear which I like.
Cost: TDM by a mile, in virtually every aspect.
Fairness of comparison: zero, TDM is 1992 850 that cost about 1/3 the GSA which is a 2010. Both bikes are by my mind fully sorted. I've ridden them both as daily drivers, wkend trips, month-long trips.
Overall rating: GSA hands down [not accounting cost issues].
Twisties: prefer the TDM, feels smaller, has more sport-oriented tires, 'race' suspension setup [stock was mushy IMO]. GSA does remarkably well once you work up the guts to lean it over, but just scarier to toss around.
Touring: GSA by a mile, comfier, more spacious, less vibration, more electrics, better weather protection all around, more raw power.
Daily driver: TDM for sure, more economical, smaller and hence easier.
Acceleration: Pretty sure the GSA beats it, feels quicker to me anyway.
Braking: GSA by a mile, so much so that when I get back on the TDM I can't believe how crappy the brakes are (yes, I have the blue dots).
Gearing: GSA, smoother, 6 speeds, low "enduro" first gear which I like.
Cost: TDM by a mile, in virtually every aspect.
Fairness of comparison: zero, TDM is 1992 850 that cost about 1/3 the GSA which is a 2010. Both bikes are by my mind fully sorted. I've ridden them both as daily drivers, wkend trips, month-long trips.
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2006 BMW K1200S set up for touring
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#109
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:25 am
Can you give some more details regarding the:
1. BMW h/guards - what model BMW and where to order. Any problems assembling?
2. 17" front wheel - from what bike? Any changes to be made in chain or sprockets or front fork?
Thanks
Danresh
1. BMW h/guards - what model BMW and where to order. Any problems assembling?
2. 17" front wheel - from what bike? Any changes to be made in chain or sprockets or front fork?
Thanks
Danresh
Danresh - the HolyLand TDM knight
TDM900 (2009) - Lowered suspension, Lowered side-stand with wider tip, O2 sensor removed, Givi top and side-cases, H-7+90% headlights, Additional blinking backlights, Stehbel horn, Secdem screen, BMW1150 Bar-risers, Remote controled cellular alarm sys, Throttle lock cruise control, CrumpBuster, GIpro-x type Gear Indicator, Mirrors raised up and out. Rear sprocket-46 teeth. Speedo Healer. K&N AirFilter. Barkbusters Storm Hand-Guards. Dobeck Performance TFI-1025 injection control. Skene Design P3 back LED lights. G-2 Throttle Tamer. BikeVis Bullet LED DRLs on handguards. LED fairing light. 2 Cree U5 LED fog-lights mounted on engine guard. MRA Xcreen on windshield. PR3 tyres.
TDM900 (2009) - Lowered suspension, Lowered side-stand with wider tip, O2 sensor removed, Givi top and side-cases, H-7+90% headlights, Additional blinking backlights, Stehbel horn, Secdem screen, BMW1150 Bar-risers, Remote controled cellular alarm sys, Throttle lock cruise control, CrumpBuster, GIpro-x type Gear Indicator, Mirrors raised up and out. Rear sprocket-46 teeth. Speedo Healer. K&N AirFilter. Barkbusters Storm Hand-Guards. Dobeck Performance TFI-1025 injection control. Skene Design P3 back LED lights. G-2 Throttle Tamer. BikeVis Bullet LED DRLs on handguards. LED fairing light. 2 Cree U5 LED fog-lights mounted on engine guard. MRA Xcreen on windshield. PR3 tyres.
#110
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:13 am
QUOTE(Matt101 @ Sat 7th Jan 2012, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ivan is gonna love you in a 900 manly kind of way!!
What a number plate
Come here big fella !
I saw it straight away the other day, but thought I would calm down before posting something.
Yep, what a number plate
Its a pity there is only one, maybe you can all share it.Great write up LDrider, Horses for Courses, maybe the TDM900a vs 1200GS might have a clearer winner?
Ivan
I'm a TDM SNOB !!!! "Adventure before Dementia"
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Kawasaki GT550, XJ900 Diversion, 2002 TDM 900 , 2008 TDM 900a, 2010 TDM 900a.
#111
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:53 am
Comparing a 2010 GSA with a 1992 TDM !
Mk2a 2000 in Silver. Top end Refurb @ 41100 miles, Scottoiler, Renthal Road High Bars, Up & Back Bar Risers, Bellypan, DL650 Handguards, Capt. Picard Bar Ends, House of Henty SS Wheel spacers, New Seat Cover Fitted. 58 MPG !! Now owned by chrisbee ! Studley's mk2a Bloggerydoodaah ! Photos of my first MK1 Photos of my MK2a TPLQHCSRSFC No. 1 Fan
#112
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:47 am
QUOTE(Studley Ramrod @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Comparing a 2010 GSA with a 1992 TDM !
Was thinking that to ..... what's a 92 bm like http://www.bikez.com...100_gs_1992.php
Edited by aircooled68, 08 January 2012 - 11:49 am.
#113
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:51 am
QUOTE(LDRider @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Overall rating: GSA hands down [not accounting cost issues].
Cost: TDM by a mile, in virtually every aspect.
Cost: TDM by a mile, in virtually every aspect.
Edit,,,, this is the major factor for me until i win the lotto.
Edited by dablik, 08 January 2012 - 11:52 am.
Bigred mk1 R1 Calipers- Braided lines- Givi wing rack-Crash bungs- Hi vis bullets-PR2's- and a hoot to ride.
Quad 900 Silver Laser duo tech pipes-Scott oiler-Engine crash bars- Radiator mounted see me ring LED's-Datatool system 3 alarm -Centre stand- Extender fender-Renthal bars-Handle bar risers-Mirror extenders-BMW GS Handgaurds-Acumen uprated horn & Nautilus-Stainless steel Radiator guard-Givi wing rack-OEM screen-Yammy touring screen-MRA Vario-MRA Double bubble cut down for fast as fk riding-Tiger screen-Tank protector-Stomp grip panels-Optimate lead Gone to Heaven 
1991 MK1 in need of some TLC watch this space Gone to Heaven 
Sorted and on the Road Mick 
it's the bike that Jack built 
#114
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:58 am
QUOTE(aircooled68 @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was thinking that to ..... what's a 92 bm like http://www.bikez.com...100_gs_1992.php
And thats the 1000cc version. The 850, well, gutless aint really the word.
Mik
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#115
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:09 pm
QUOTE(aircooled68 @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was thinking that to ..... what's a 92 bm like http://www.bikez.com...100_gs_1992.php
Massey Ferguson-esque !
Mk2a 2000 in Silver. Top end Refurb @ 41100 miles, Scottoiler, Renthal Road High Bars, Up & Back Bar Risers, Bellypan, DL650 Handguards, Capt. Picard Bar Ends, House of Henty SS Wheel spacers, New Seat Cover Fitted. 58 MPG !! Now owned by chrisbee ! Studley's mk2a Bloggerydoodaah ! Photos of my first MK1 Photos of my MK2a TPLQHCSRSFC No. 1 Fan
#116
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:34 pm
QUOTE(aircooled68 @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was thinking that to ..... what's a 92 bm like http://www.bikez.com...100_gs_1992.php
They are absolutely luvverly
My R80 GS only makes 55bhp but it is very nimble & the handling is excellent - and it doesn't struggle too much keeping up with the TDM's
The older I get, the better I was96 MkII in yellow & silver with bluespots, braided lines, Remus 2 into 1, Hagon rear shock & fork springs, bashplate, heated grips,Motech pannier racks, Road Attacks, Jockoiler, Baglux tank cover & bag. Gone to a far better place - hasn't it Remo?
Another 96 Mk2 in yellow & silver - absolutely standard & pristine ( apart from a butchered rear mudguard - but I'm looking for a new one
'76 Suzuki GT500 Stroker in need of a rebuild
'80 Yamaha XT250 mudplugger
another '81 XT250
'91 BMW R80GS - this one really will do a RTW trip
'05 BMW K1200S - inline four with a shaft
'10 BMW R1200GSA Anniversary Edition
'02 Fazer 1000 - 4 carbs are better than 2 ! - water pump rebuilt by Mr Ramrod Engineering
'00 Triumph Adventurer - Cruiser with a difference - British & a tripleGary's Bathtub - '99 BMW K1200RS in luvverly pillarbox red . Now been Waspycycled to Nuneaton
And the Latest Addition - a nice BMW G650 XCountry greenlaner - on long term loan to Boy Wonder
1996 Kawasaki KH125 Stroker
2000 TDM Mk2A - nicely Studleyfied - Modified by Masterbrewer, but we've fixed that now !
BMW K1300R
2004 TDM 900 in Silver/Blue - heated grips, MRA vary screen, Wilbers rear shock & engine bars to fit
BMW S1000XR in white
#117
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:02 pm
QUOTE(Studley Ramrod @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Comparing a 2010 GSA with a 1992 TDM !
Well, I haven't had the pleasure of riding any other TDM. The fact that I still love riding it when I have two primo BMWs in the garage says a lot if you ask me.
2010 BMW R1200GSA 30th Anniv
2006 BMW K1200S set up for touring
1992 TDM850 set up for touring
#118
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:11 pm
QUOTE(aircooled68 @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was thinking that to ..... what's a 92 bm like http://www.bikez.com...100_gs_1992.php
Don't recall the magazine, but at the time I bought the TDM (new in 1992) I read an article doing head-to-head comparison with (I think?) the R100R (1000CC standard, not the R100GS). They rated the TDM as a superior bike based on new engineering, sportier feel, and a few other factors I don't recall. It's all somewhat subjective - I have cousins who frickin swear by those old airhead beemers. I might even have that article on file somewhere - if it every surfaces I'll scan and post it here.
2010 BMW R1200GSA 30th Anniv
2006 BMW K1200S set up for touring
1992 TDM850 set up for touring
#119
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:06 pm
QUOTE(danresh @ Sun 8th Jan 2012, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you give some more details regarding the:
1. BMW h/guards - what model BMW and where to order. Any problems assembling?
2. 17" front wheel - from what bike? Any changes to be made in chain or sprockets or front fork?
Thanks
Danresh
1. BMW h/guards - what model BMW and where to order. Any problems assembling?
2. 17" front wheel - from what bike? Any changes to be made in chain or sprockets or front fork?
Thanks
Danresh
1. BMW R1150GS This Dealer is usually helpful http://www.bmwbikes.co.uk/contact/
2. Front wheel I have came from a Fazer 1000. Wheel & hanguard info can be found here http://jbx9.free.fr/...php?page=FWHEEL
2007 BMW R1200GS Adventure
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2013 Kawasaki Versys 650
2007 Kawasaki Versys 650
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2013 Kawasaki Versys 650
#120
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:29 pm
Just remember that you have to drill & tap the bar end weights to fit the GS1150 handguards - quite easy & well worth it though
The older I get, the better I was96 MkII in yellow & silver with bluespots, braided lines, Remus 2 into 1, Hagon rear shock & fork springs, bashplate, heated grips,Motech pannier racks, Road Attacks, Jockoiler, Baglux tank cover & bag. Gone to a far better place - hasn't it Remo?
Another 96 Mk2 in yellow & silver - absolutely standard & pristine ( apart from a butchered rear mudguard - but I'm looking for a new one
'76 Suzuki GT500 Stroker in need of a rebuild
'80 Yamaha XT250 mudplugger
another '81 XT250
'91 BMW R80GS - this one really will do a RTW trip
'05 BMW K1200S - inline four with a shaft
'10 BMW R1200GSA Anniversary Edition
'02 Fazer 1000 - 4 carbs are better than 2 ! - water pump rebuilt by Mr Ramrod Engineering
'00 Triumph Adventurer - Cruiser with a difference - British & a tripleGary's Bathtub - '99 BMW K1200RS in luvverly pillarbox red . Now been Waspycycled to Nuneaton
And the Latest Addition - a nice BMW G650 XCountry greenlaner - on long term loan to Boy Wonder
1996 Kawasaki KH125 Stroker
2000 TDM Mk2A - nicely Studleyfied - Modified by Masterbrewer, but we've fixed that now !
BMW K1300R
2004 TDM 900 in Silver/Blue - heated grips, MRA vary screen, Wilbers rear shock & engine bars to fit
BMW S1000XR in white
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