To give you an idea this was a valve clearance check on a Mk1
http://www.carpe-tdm...showtopic=12948
I think it took me about 3 or 4 hours doing it ony own, including taking photos of everything, but access is more fiddly on a 900 so expect a little longer, though extra hands speed things up a lot. It's not actually a difficult job, It's just that you need to dismantle so much to get at the cams.
However bear in mind you need the engine cold for this, which could be tricky on a fettle day, and if you find you need to swap some shims you'll have to put it all back together to get home, then strip it again to change the shims unless someone has the right sizes handy when you initially check them.
Jht's Spring Fettle Day. April 1st 2012
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#101
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:16 pm
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:13 pm
fer me tuppence ha'peny worth..
Could I suggest folks that doing valve clearances at a fettle day is probably not a good idea, unless its at your house and its your bike!
Like Chris says, its a relatively straight forward job, doesn't take too long if it all goes well...
but I can guarentee that the fickle Gods of the Mechanicum will ensure that something will generally bugger the job up, usually it'll be that we will be missing at least one shim you'll need !!
I have a selection of shims here, and can pretty much say Yam dealers will not have them in stock (well the ones 'local' to me anyway!) and the Dappersfantasticshimexchangeservice utilises Royal Snail Mail
I addition its a job to be done when the engine is stone cold, not cool, luke warm, but stone cold, so...
If you ridden > 40 minutes to get to a fettle I'd not touch you motor for 3-4 hours, jobs a couple hours at least, so your looking at 6-8 hours
Wayyy too long for a fettle day, we have serious cake eating, tea drinking, breeze shooting to squeeze in too ya know!
Now, if you know what shims you have fitted, know what the valve clearances are, then we can work out required shims before the day and the job is a bit more feasible!
Thinking of that last point, for those of you who get the clearances done at a stealer, ask them for a note of what shim size they fitted to which valve, means if you ever fancy having a go yourself it make the whole job ALOT easier
The spanner monkey should be making a note as they go anyway, so it's not like you asking for any special extra info that they have to go out of their way to get/sort.
Could I suggest folks that doing valve clearances at a fettle day is probably not a good idea, unless its at your house and its your bike!
Like Chris says, its a relatively straight forward job, doesn't take too long if it all goes well...
but I can guarentee that the fickle Gods of the Mechanicum will ensure that something will generally bugger the job up, usually it'll be that we will be missing at least one shim you'll need !!
I have a selection of shims here, and can pretty much say Yam dealers will not have them in stock (well the ones 'local' to me anyway!) and the Dappersfantasticshimexchangeservice utilises Royal Snail Mail
I addition its a job to be done when the engine is stone cold, not cool, luke warm, but stone cold, so...
If you ridden > 40 minutes to get to a fettle I'd not touch you motor for 3-4 hours, jobs a couple hours at least, so your looking at 6-8 hours
Wayyy too long for a fettle day, we have serious cake eating, tea drinking, breeze shooting to squeeze in too ya know!
Now, if you know what shims you have fitted, know what the valve clearances are, then we can work out required shims before the day and the job is a bit more feasible!
Thinking of that last point, for those of you who get the clearances done at a stealer, ask them for a note of what shim size they fitted to which valve, means if you ever fancy having a go yourself it make the whole job ALOT easier
The spanner monkey should be making a note as they go anyway, so it's not like you asking for any special extra info that they have to go out of their way to get/sort.
Edited by jht, 29 February 2012 - 05:26 pm.
Done: Homo sap navigation/ twisty thing on bars to make it go vroom/ grabby thing to make it stop (in front of twisty thing)/ 'leccy things front and rear to make it glow at night/ Sucky + drippy oiler thing to keep chains moist (!!) / Laser Pro Stock Race pipes / bleeding ear drums (see previous mod)
To do: Educate homo sap nav system to operate twisty + grabby things/ get ear plugs
All Trashed Now... Pants... its a Cat B Mwahahaha it lives again!!
Remember every driver is a deaf myoptic twat who is out to kill you, ALWAYS assume they are going to do THE most f*cking DUMBASS, STUPID manouver possible, at the worst possible moment; get past, and get past quick
To do: Educate homo sap nav system to operate twisty + grabby things/ get ear plugs
Remember every driver is a deaf myoptic twat who is out to kill you, ALWAYS assume they are going to do THE most f*cking DUMBASS, STUPID manouver possible, at the worst possible moment; get past, and get past quick
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:37 pm
JHT,
Advice noted, this is defo a job to be done at your own place.
I read the post by Chris G, great work!!, it has given me the confidence to tackle this myself.
I will have ago at this in a few weeks. I need to get a decent set of feeler guages first!
One question can I assume clearances as the same for 850 and 900?
If I'm in the UK on the weekend of your fettle, doubtful at the moment, I'll pop down!
Regards
OldGreyWizard
Advice noted, this is defo a job to be done at your own place.
I read the post by Chris G, great work!!, it has given me the confidence to tackle this myself.
I will have ago at this in a few weeks. I need to get a decent set of feeler guages first!
One question can I assume clearances as the same for 850 and 900?
If I'm in the UK on the weekend of your fettle, doubtful at the moment, I'll pop down!
Regards
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 02:26 pm
0.15-0.20 for the inlet, and 0.23-0.28 for exhaust on the 900.
I've got a of the 900 service manuals here if you need torque settings and other info.
http://www.fieldscie...co.uk/link/TDM/
I've got a of the 900 service manuals here if you need torque settings and other info.
http://www.fieldscie...co.uk/link/TDM/
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 03:07 pm
We did Charlie's valve clearances in 2 stages. First time we checked the clearances and logged the shim sizes, then worked out the required shims, ate cake and went home
Charlie then buys the shims and Endo went back to Charlie's to swap 'em over and re-check clearances.
Also did Ballkeepers and Blackpins in 2 stages, and both involved cake !
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 07:10 pm
Yeah I was thinking it's a bit optimistic to try and do valve clearances. As I need new fork seals and I'd like to fit braided lines. Also I suspect my yokes may have a wee twist.... So I'll take the front end off and this will enable me to get to the valves a bit easier.
But I do need to balance the carbs but don't have a balancer, anyone got one?
But I do need to balance the carbs but don't have a balancer, anyone got one?
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 07:24 pm
QUOTE(maximuspetrolhead @ Sun 4th Mar 2012, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah I was thinking it's a bit optimistic to try and do valve clearances. As I need new fork seals and I'd like to fit braided lines. Also I suspect my yokes may have a wee twist.... So I'll take the front end off and this will enable me to get to the valves a bit easier.
But I do need to balance the carbs but don't have a balancer, anyone got one?
But I do need to balance the carbs but don't have a balancer, anyone got one?
Your Going to the right place. JHT has them
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 05:07 pm
I'd like to add my name to the list of throttle body balancees please, and a check that the chain is properly adjusted. I did it on Saturday and it seems fine to me, but then again after an oil and filter change I torqued everything back up and then found the new oil filter on the ground! Doh! 
Edited by chrisr, 05 March 2012 - 05:08 pm.
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 06:02 pm
For me I have a K&N filter to fit and maybe tidy up the wiring under the panels.
I will say one thing though. Be careful of the following Carpiedians:
JHT
ChrisG
Tony Devil
Saga Lout
See if one of them will explain why.
Cats
I will say one thing though. Be careful of the following Carpiedians:
JHT
ChrisG
Tony Devil
Saga Lout
See if one of them will explain why.
Cats
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 06:42 pm
I too would like a throttle balance if possible, i even have my own tank prop
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 07:05 pm
QUOTE(Cats @ Mon 5th Mar 2012, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For me I have a K&N filter to fit and maybe tidy up the wiring under the panels.
I will say one thing though. Be careful of the following Carpiedians:
JHT
ChrisG
Tony Devil
Saga Lout
See if one of them will explain why.
Cats
I will say one thing though. Be careful of the following Carpiedians:
JHT
ChrisG
Tony Devil
Saga Lout
See if one of them will explain why.
Cats
Hi Cats, would you like some Rapstraps for you cable management?
RapStrap
I'll bring some along
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:03 pm
QUOTE(Cats @ Mon 5th Mar 2012, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For me I have a K&N filter to fit and maybe tidy up the wiring under the panels.
I will say one thing though. Be careful of the following Carpiedians:
JHT
ChrisG
Tony Devil
Saga Lout
See if one of them will explain why.
Cats
I will say one thing though. Be careful of the following Carpiedians:
JHT
ChrisG
Tony Devil
Saga Lout
See if one of them will explain why.
Cats
Its all lies I tell you, all lies
Now on 9er number 2 .....
#113
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 09:53 pm
DO i need a throttle balance,no that my bike in the pictures.job done by Monsieur JHT and it run so much better after
Edited by vicens66, 05 March 2012 - 09:54 pm.
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:22 pm
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:49 am
QUOTE(Cats @ Mon 5th Mar 2012, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OOOOooooooooohhhhhh 
Hasn't got your colour Martin.
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:14 am
Hi Jht,
I'm interested in your fettle day, is it going to be the 1st april?
my name is Jasper, quite new to this forum, got a 1997 tdm850 which i bought about 18 months ago with 36000 on the clock, it has now done 45000. nothing specific needs to be done, but i'd like to replace the output oil seal, which i have already got a new one for, as it uses a fair bit of oil.
thanks
J
I'm interested in your fettle day, is it going to be the 1st april?
my name is Jasper, quite new to this forum, got a 1997 tdm850 which i bought about 18 months ago with 36000 on the clock, it has now done 45000. nothing specific needs to be done, but i'd like to replace the output oil seal, which i have already got a new one for, as it uses a fair bit of oil.
thanks
J
QUOTE(Cats @ Mon 6th Feb 2012, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
April is on it's way meaning the Brittany tour is also coming. 
Planning on having a Fettle day like we did last year. Sometime in March and be good to see Old & New faces for a brew and Catchup. If it's anything like ChrisG's tinkering day last year no work will take place in a hurry...
Will do Bacon on the Barbi along with Barbi Chicken through the day and Hot drinks. I thought last years fettle went well.
Anyone up for this?
Post Code is RG40 4HT for those who don't know me
Cats
Chris G's Tinker day: Chit Chat
Cats's Tinker day: Serious work being done
Planning on having a Fettle day like we did last year. Sometime in March and be good to see Old & New faces for a brew and Catchup. If it's anything like ChrisG's tinkering day last year no work will take place in a hurry...
Will do Bacon on the Barbi along with Barbi Chicken through the day and Hot drinks. I thought last years fettle went well.
Anyone up for this?
Post Code is RG40 4HT for those who don't know me
Cats
Chris G's Tinker day: Chit Chat
Cats's Tinker day: Serious work being done
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:43 am
QUOTE(Frajt @ Tue 28th Feb 2012, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aye........ 
I'm afraid I have to withdraw my previous "Aye". Family commitments have sadly taken over the whole bloody weekend......
At risk of doing something exciting!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:48 am
Right, apologies for being a bit dark & of forum last week or so!
Everything all good for Sunday still, anyone wanting to know what food/cake etc to bring please pm Cats, coz he is refusing to let me do any of the food stuff
(tho' for those that have been before he did acquiesce to my mum doing her Apple cake & homemade burgers again... can't think why?! )
Them's that voiced an interest in coming I think are:
Cats
Chrisg
Toneski
AliG
Saga
DazzerB
Maximus (you bringing Ryan chum as Zak going to be here too?)
Matt101
chrisr
RobC
Moose
TDMick
Vincens66
hvass
hallrob
MarkyMark
Trevini
Jolly
Old Grey Wizard
did I miss anyone? If you need addy / can't make it pm please folks as I know for some it depends on work commitments
(think I may have to warn the neighbours, potentially 19 odd bikes arriving
that could be a record!)
Everything all good for Sunday still, anyone wanting to know what food/cake etc to bring please pm Cats, coz he is refusing to let me do any of the food stuff
(tho' for those that have been before he did acquiesce to my mum doing her Apple cake & homemade burgers again... can't think why?!
)Them's that voiced an interest in coming I think are:
Cats
Chrisg
Toneski
AliG
Saga
DazzerB
Maximus (you bringing Ryan chum as Zak going to be here too?)
Matt101
chrisr
TDMick
Vincens66
hvass
MarkyMark
Trevini
Old Grey Wizard
did I miss anyone? If you need addy / can't make it pm please folks as I know for some it depends on work commitments
(think I may have to warn the neighbours, potentially 19 odd bikes arriving
that could be a record!)
Edited by jht, 29 March 2012 - 03:08 pm.
Done: Homo sap navigation/ twisty thing on bars to make it go vroom/ grabby thing to make it stop (in front of twisty thing)/ 'leccy things front and rear to make it glow at night/ Sucky + drippy oiler thing to keep chains moist (!!) / Laser Pro Stock Race pipes / bleeding ear drums (see previous mod)
To do: Educate homo sap nav system to operate twisty + grabby things/ get ear plugs
All Trashed Now... Pants... its a Cat B Mwahahaha it lives again!!
Remember every driver is a deaf myoptic twat who is out to kill you, ALWAYS assume they are going to do THE most f*cking DUMBASS, STUPID manouver possible, at the worst possible moment; get past, and get past quick
To do: Educate homo sap nav system to operate twisty + grabby things/ get ear plugs
Remember every driver is a deaf myoptic twat who is out to kill you, ALWAYS assume they are going to do THE most f*cking DUMBASS, STUPID manouver possible, at the worst possible moment; get past, and get past quick
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:25 am
strike one from your list - we've got a major implementation going on at work and guess who is on call this weekend? Have a good'un.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 12:28 pm
Yup we're still coming although a work thing has popped up today so we'll be arriving about 13:00.
Not sure it'll be the first outing for the 9er this year or still the mki
Not sure it'll be the first outing for the 9er this year or still the mki
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