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reduce the buffeting from screens, guinea-pigs needed.
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Posted 19 April 2007 - 11:31 pm
spyball alarm/immob, bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.
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Posted 19 April 2007 - 11:36 pm
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 21 April 2007 - 08:06 pm
Tried it today,I am 5ft10 on a 03 900 with a touring screen (longer) from powerbronze, rock steady at 70 on me noggin , whereas had some buffeting previously ,so look forward to trying it in other circs.
Thanks for the idea
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Had chance to fully try it out and can say that with the above criteria its a BIG thumbs up from me.
70s fine 90sfine 120s sound. Cheers again.
Thanks for the idea
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Had chance to fully try it out and can say that with the above criteria its a BIG thumbs up from me.
70s fine 90sfine 120s sound. Cheers again.
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Posted 21 April 2007 - 09:28 pm
QUOTE(muddy @ Tue 17th Apr 2007, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On trying this mod in my usual slapdash way, I've managed to lose one to the grommet nuts that the screen bolts into. Any ideas where I can a few for spares?
I noticed today that Halfords do these as well in small packs.
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Posted 21 April 2007 - 10:44 pm
QUOTE(Landy @ Sat 21st Apr 2007, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I noticed today that Halfords do these as well in small packs.
I'll have a look tommorow. Ta.
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Posted 21 April 2007 - 11:50 pm
QUOTE(Tempest @ Wed 18th Apr 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You think our experiments are ever going to work?
Unless the screen is high enough, or wrapped round far enough to the turbulance happened PAST your body?
I guess, with any screen on we're going t o be pushing air out of the way, and there will always be the pressure difference behind the screen?
Did anyone experiment with the cutting holes/slots in the screen that was talked about a few months back?
That next on the agenda, just debating whether it be holes or a slot drilled/cut in my extended touring screen...opinions please!
Unless the screen is high enough, or wrapped round far enough to the turbulance happened PAST your body?
I guess, with any screen on we're going t o be pushing air out of the way, and there will always be the pressure difference behind the screen?
Did anyone experiment with the cutting holes/slots in the screen that was talked about a few months back?
That next on the agenda, just debating whether it be holes or a slot drilled/cut in my extended touring screen...opinions please!
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To do: Educate homo sap nav system to operate twisty + grabby things/ get ear plugs
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To do: Educate homo sap nav system to operate twisty + grabby things/ get ear plugs
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Posted 21 April 2007 - 11:56 pm
QUOTE(Landy @ Sat 21st Apr 2007, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I noticed today that Halfords do these as well in small packs.
See earlier note - I tried these and they appeared to be too thin to hold.
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Posted 22 April 2007 - 10:03 am
Thanks Pict I did not look to closely at the dimensions.
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Posted 22 April 2007 - 10:39 pm
QUOTE(Pict @ Sun 22nd Apr 2007, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
See earlier note - I tried these and they appeared to be too thin to hold.
I bought a packet today and t's true they are a bit small, fitting a tad loose. I had to buy them though as i'm off on tuesday to France, so i'll just pack it out slightly with gaffer tape.
Edited by muddy, 22 April 2007 - 10:40 pm.
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 09:13 pm
Ok...
Let's pick up this thread again, folks.
I did an experiment... just like one here suggested:
I put washers beetween the fairing and the screen (I used rubber washers...), bought some bolts/screws in real metal (same grey colour as those used by Yamaha to keep the fairing in place...) and raised the screen from the fairing to let air come through between the screen and the fairing - take a look at the pictures below.
The gap is not a big as this:
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8 mm was it?
Mine is not more than tops 2-3 mm all around.
But it helped! The airflow is a lot smoother and no buffeting/turbulence other than what comes from other traffic.
I really believe that this is a solution that works! Try it and check it out for yourself.
Later on I'll try to increase the air gap to tops 5 mm and check out if things gets better or worse...
Let's pick up this thread again, folks.
I did an experiment... just like one here suggested:
I put washers beetween the fairing and the screen (I used rubber washers...), bought some bolts/screws in real metal (same grey colour as those used by Yamaha to keep the fairing in place...) and raised the screen from the fairing to let air come through between the screen and the fairing - take a look at the pictures below.
The gap is not a big as this:
. 8 mm was it?
Mine is not more than tops 2-3 mm all around.
But it helped! The airflow is a lot smoother and no buffeting/turbulence other than what comes from other traffic.
I really believe that this is a solution that works! Try it and check it out for yourself.
Later on I'll try to increase the air gap to tops 5 mm and check out if things gets better or worse...
TDM 900 2006 mod.:
MRA modded PUIG screen, air-box mod., Laser Duo-Tech cans, Powercommander, Symtec Motorcycle Grip Heater, Stebel Magnum (black), Centech AP-1 Auxiliary Fuse Panel, Hawkeoiler...
MRA modded PUIG screen, air-box mod., Laser Duo-Tech cans, Powercommander, Symtec Motorcycle Grip Heater, Stebel Magnum (black), Centech AP-1 Auxiliary Fuse Panel, Hawkeoiler...
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 09:53 pm
I made the mod last week. I used some small rubber grommets as spacers, and they gave about a 3mm gap. Nice easy mod. It's the first time I've taken the screen off, and I found one of the plastic screen bolts had been snapped and the head just glued to the screen 
Fortunately I had a 'near enough' replacement 
Seems a lot better. Excellent idea. Thanks!
Fortunately I had a 'near enough' replacement Seems a lot better. Excellent idea. Thanks!
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:34 am
am defo gonna try this "air gap". good job AJ
was first thinking of cutting down the screen to get a clean airflow instead of the current turbulent one which is hitting me right on the head. since i noticed that if i sat up straight, stretching myself a bit, the noise was far less annoying, more continuous. when sat up normally behind the screen it gives a resonating, hammering type of noise.
I'm 1.70m tall
was first thinking of cutting down the screen to get a clean airflow instead of the current turbulent one which is hitting me right on the head. since i noticed that if i sat up straight, stretching myself a bit, the noise was far less annoying, more continuous. when sat up normally behind the screen it gives a resonating, hammering type of noise.
I'm 1.70m tall
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:41 pm
QUOTE(Tempest @ Wed 18th Apr 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You think our experiments are ever going to work?
Unless the screen is high enough, or wrapped round far enough to the turbulance happened PAST your body?
I guess, with any screen on we're going t o be pushing air out of the way, and there will always be the pressure difference behind the screen?
Did anyone experiment with the cutting holes/slots in the screen that was talked about a few months back?
Unless the screen is high enough, or wrapped round far enough to the turbulance happened PAST your body?
I guess, with any screen on we're going t o be pushing air out of the way, and there will always be the pressure difference behind the screen?
Did anyone experiment with the cutting holes/slots in the screen that was talked about a few months back?
Sorry folks, aint checked this thread for a while, yes I have drilled a pretty pattern of 6mm holes in the middle of mine and the buffeting has gone
and it's quiet as a mouse( my mate said he heared his missus fart when he tried it). 
Will post pic when I get round to it.
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 04:20 pm
QUOTE(celticbiker @ Fri 15th Jun 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry folks, aint checked this thread for a while, yes I have drilled a pretty pattern of 6mm holes in the middle of mine and the buffeting has gone and it's quiet as a mouse( my mate said he heared his missus fart when he tried it).
Will post pic when I get round to it.
and it's quiet as a mouse( my mate said he heared his missus fart when he tried it). Will post pic when I get round to it.
Yes, please! I'm very interested in having a look at your solution, let alone see how it looks
And I bet I'm not the only one...
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 12:20 am
any udder MKII owners tried to fit the TDM 900 Winglet (the ones Landy got fer us) to the (short) standard MKII screen ?? i did it today and twas a feckin' fiddly job to get more or less right. when finished i wasn't completely satisified as the Vario mounting feet do not offer up "too parallel" with the screen and i had to tighten up the 4 small vario screws to pull it back into contact, i may try and rectify this at a later stage. i do have 2 other different screens i can experiment on too, but fer the moment i'll leave well enuf alone and try this setup.
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engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 05:45 am
Tried the "standoff" mod yesterday, but gave up for fear of cracking the (very expensive!) top fairing panel. I hadn't thought about it, but because the screen and its mounting surface are curved, to create a gap of even 3 mm offsets the screws considerably from the rubber/brass barrel nuts, meaning I'd have to flatten the screen quite a way to realign them, and stress the mountings as a result. Have those of you who've made the mod just ignored this??
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 06:35 am
I just ignored it
I found that the rubber grommets gave the flexibility needed.
With longer screws, at one point I had the screen, 6mm off !!!!!
Think I will bite the bullet and drill some holes like Celtic biker ........
Put my money where my mouth is........
or where my £45 skidmarx screen is........
I'll come back with what happens.
Cheers, Ivan
I found that the rubber grommets gave the flexibility needed.
With longer screws, at one point I had the screen, 6mm off !!!!!
Think I will bite the bullet and drill some holes like Celtic biker ........
Put my money where my mouth is........
or where my £45 skidmarx screen is........
I'll come back with what happens.
Cheers, Ivan
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 01:50 pm
Well drilled the holes in a Yamaha pattern.
Fixed the screen flat as normal........
went for a spin.. !!!
Thats it !!!!
.... smooth as anything.. Brillant. It rides like a different bike. Clean, no buffeting or vibration.
SORTED.
Took some nerve but once you've started, there's no going back.
Cheers,Ivan...
Fixed the screen flat as normal........
went for a spin.. !!!
Thats it !!!!
.... smooth as anything.. Brillant. It rides like a different bike. Clean, no buffeting or vibration.
SORTED.
Took some nerve but once you've started, there's no going back.
Cheers,Ivan...
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 02:12 pm
QUOTE(Geordie Guy @ Sun 17th Jun 2007, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well drilled the holes in a Yamaha pattern.
Fixed the screen flat as normal........
went for a spin.. !!!
Thats it !!!!
.... smooth as anything.. Brillant. It rides like a different bike. Clean, no buffeting or vibration.
SORTED.
Took some nerve but once you've started, there's no going back.
Fixed the screen flat as normal........
went for a spin.. !!!
Thats it !!!!
.... smooth as anything.. Brillant. It rides like a different bike. Clean, no buffeting or vibration.
SORTED.
Took some nerve but once you've started, there's no going back.
That looks like Al Capone's getaway bike
Unless I am mistaken, this type of solution is already standard on the 850 MK II:
It's a small opening but apparently effective enough to get a turbulence free air-flow
That was not a banana, Dougal
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 02:15 pm
[quote]Well drilled the holes in a Yamaha pattern.
Fixed the screen flat as normal........
went for a spin.. !!!
Thats it !!!! [quote]
Ultimo!! Have you kept the template? If so, any chance of scanning and posting it?
Fixed the screen flat as normal........
went for a spin.. !!!
Thats it !!!!
[quote]Ultimo!!
Have you kept the template? If so, any chance of scanning and posting it?
"It's a TDM, Jim, but not as we know it"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAHmEWim3to
Diamond black TDM 900A TRIKE, 2006 ABS model converted by Trike Design (Caerphilly, South Wales) prior to first registration in March 2007.
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