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#41 Pict

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 01:34 pm

Just be grateful AJB has had the resources to do some practical market research? smile.gif

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 02:44 pm

QUOTE(E-njoy @ Wed 4th Jul 2007, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you haven't got the original Yamaha screen? And the "inlet" are just these 6 little holes they drilled in? Couldn't you just have drilled those holes in your MRA / Secdem? Or is it a significant other shape than those db's?

For myself I would be afraid this screen would be too low on the sides, so too much airblast pushing against the shoulders. Perhaps you can compose a comparison picture of all your screens next to each other? rolleyes.gif

Sure I can - as soon as the rain stops up here in Norway... It's been raining almost nonstop a week now and right now it's pouring down again outside my window...

And, you know what, E-njoy; please don't ask any more questions. Just let me keep on with what I'm doing, ok? As I said before; I can afford to buy a few screens, I like to experiment a little and I like to change my bike's apperance with new screens.
Just be happy if my screen experiments is useful info for you. If it's not, just ignore it, ok? And keep comments like "Couldn't you just have drilled those holes in your MRA / Secdem?" to yourself.
But sure I can answer you question: I want to keep them as they are because they're not bad at all as they are. Beside, if I were to modify them both or one of them by drilling holes in them it would probably be an experiment that fails. What if the drill slips and make scratches or cracks in the screen? How useful do you think it would be then? I don't wanna take chances like that. I can afford the screens, yes. But I'm not a fan of throwing money out the window... if you know what I mean? wink.gif
Wait for pictures of all the screens lined up and look for yourself. Then your're welcome to ask as many questions about them as you want, ok?
All I'm interested in is to share my experience as good as I can - not bragging about how many screens I own...
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 02:59 pm

plod.gif giveusahug.gif putemup.gif ahhhhh.gif isurrender.gif punishment.gif handbags @ dawn girls !!!!!!! hey i own loads of tea cups, but the catch rain water when fitted to the front of my TDM !!

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 03:13 pm

Sorry AJ, didn't mean to p#ss you off unsure.gif

If the drill slips you can always buy a new screen, perhaps an Ermax or so wink.gif . I can fully understand the screen experimenting philosophy, at one time I had four screens for my R1150GS (stock, MDI, MRA, Wunderlich). And on the T-max I started to hack the sportscreen down to experiment with a lower screen (always had the stock screen to fall back upon... or the Givi sportscreen I also had for that bike). So I was merely wondering if you considered experimenting, or if the Ermax is that different in shape (which we'll find out eventually, I'm just too curious...sorry). Didn't know your spending behaviour was such a sensitive issue and that you're afraid of the rain
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 03:27 pm

QUOTE(E-njoy @ Wed 4th Jul 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry AJ, didn't mean to p#ss you off unsure.gif

If the drill slips you can always buy a new screen, perhaps an Ermax or so wink.gif . I can fully understand the screen experimenting philosophy, at one time I had four screens for my R1150GS (stock, MDI, MRA, Wunderlich). And on the T-max I started to hack the sportscreen down to experiment with a lower screen (always had the stock screen to fall back upon... or the Givi sportscreen I also had for that bike). So I was merely wondering if you considered experimenting, or if the Ermax is that different in shape (which we'll find out eventually, I'm just too curious...sorry). Didn't know your spending behaviour was such a sensitive issue and that you're afraid of the rain

Well, I just want to take good pictures outside in the sun. That's all cool.gif I'm not afraid of the rain. I even ride my TDM in the rain. And usually I find it perfectly OK, even fun, sometimes.
But when it comes to taking pictures of the screens I prefer to do that when the weather conditions is perfect. And I think you will appreciate that as soon as you get the chance to look at the photos... wink.gif
Just be patient...
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Posted 04 July 2007 - 04:10 pm

QUOTE(AJ_Blizzard @ Wed 4th Jul 2007, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just be patient...

He'll be OK - his shoulders are broad enough to take it. smile.gif

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 05:58 pm

QUOTE(Pict @ Wed 4th Jul 2007, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He'll be OK - his shoulders are broad enough to take it. smile.gif

Screen experiment status:
Fitted the ERMAX screen to see how it looked on the bike. Took a couple of photos as well 'till the battery went out...
Have to charge the battery, then I will put up the pictures.

ERMAX was a big dissapointment tdown.gif Why? Because it is really, and I mean really badly adapted to the shape of the fairing. So bad it was actually hard to press it down enough to get the bolts in...

So now the SECDEM is back on the bike. It's a 98 % perfect fit (excellent considering it's a French product...), looks good and the weather protection behind is is also good. This is the tallest screen I have and the one that suits me best. I'm 184 cm (approx. 6 ft.).
MRA double bubble is a 100 % fit (as expected as it's manufactured in Germany...), it's shorter than SECDEM, the shape is a bit different; the bubble is bigger (raised higher up) and because of that it seems to smooth the wind out a little better than SECDEM.
SECDEM provides better wind protection, though.

I prefer this screen to the others for two main reason: 1. better protection against the wind. 2. The looks...
I will send the lousy ERMAX back to the retailer for a refund tomorrow... I big let down... I do NOT recommend this screen!! Go for SECDEM or MRA instead.

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 10:16 am

tanks AJ, all this experimenting is good work, well done.

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 03:42 pm

QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Thu 5th Jul 2007, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
tanks AJ, all this experimenting is good work, well done.


Ok, here are a few pics...
There should have been more light when I took the pictures. Better light would have shown better how lousy adapted the ERMAX screen is... I never roadtestet it beacuse of this and therefore I cannot tell anything about the effect of the drilled holes...


SECDEM screen


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Posted 05 July 2007 - 05:47 pm

sorry AJ did u drill the holes ??

spyball alarm/immob, bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
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Posted 05 July 2007 - 06:07 pm

QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Thu 5th Jul 2007, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sorry AJ did u drill the holes ??

Nope. The screen comes like this from the manufacturer.

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 06:09 pm

cheers, Ermax do lots of TDM stuff be the looks of tings.

spyball alarm/immob, bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 06:22 pm

I'm watching from the side lines, with interest. Keep us posted with your findings. I like the look of the Secdem screen personally.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 12:18 am

QUOTE(AJ_Blizzard @ Thu 5th Jul 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nope. The screen comes like this from the manufacturer.
Read more here about this feature...


I guess we know now what makes this screen world famous, their amazing built quality?

Time to put the drill into the Secdem (or MRA db) cool.gif ? I doubt that it has any effect personally... well, perhaps psychologically (placebo drugs are still the best drugs around I believe). If you drill enough holes or big slots though (more than just those 6 small ones, perhaps something like a big slot just above the middle screw), who knows. Two days ago my screen was very quiet, no doubt that it had to do with the lack of wind at that time and riding after sunset in very stable air. A long tunnel is the best screen testing environment I think.

Anyone try out the Powerbronze double bubble (Airflow screen) for the TDM900?

Edited by E-njoy, 06 July 2007 - 12:20 am.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 03:27 am

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 07:07 am

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 06:27 pm

QUOTE(E-njoy @ Fri 6th Jul 2007, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess we know now what makes this screen world famous, their amazing built quality?

Time to put the drill into the Secdem (or MRA db) cool.gif ? I doubt that it has any effect personally... well, perhaps psychologically (placebo drugs are still the best drugs around I believe). If you drill enough holes or big slots though (more than just those 6 small ones, perhaps something like a big slot just above the middle screw), who knows. Two days ago my screen was very quiet, no doubt that it had to do with the lack of wind at that time and riding after sunset in very stable air. A long tunnel is the best screen testing environment I think.

Anyone try out the Powerbronze double bubble (Airflow screen) for the TDM900?

I don't think I'm gonna drill holes in my SECDEM screen. It's good enough as it is, I think. Beside, drilling holes in it will change the looks in a way I wouldn't like... I think.

But since yo're asking; I actually own a POWERBRONZE db also tongue.gif Didn't I tell you before? Guess not... wink.gif
The size, shape and height (tallness) is about the same as ERMAX. It's also thicker, as is SECDEM and it's a good fit. The effect isn't bad either, as far as I remember (last time I used it was more than a month ago...).
If I get around to it this weekend I'll put it on again and take som pictures ans put up here, ok? good.gif

Edited by AJ_Blizzard, 06 July 2007 - 06:28 pm.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:48 pm

QUOTE(AJ_Blizzard @ Fri 6th Jul 2007, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think I'm gonna drill holes in my SECDEM screen. It's good enough as it is, I think. Beside, drilling holes in it will change the looks in a way I wouldn't like... I think.

But since yo're asking; I actually own a POWERBRONZE db also tongue.gif Didn't I tell you before? Guess not... wink.gif
The size, shape and height (tallness) is about the same as ERMAX. It's also thicker, as is SECDEM and it's a good fit. The effect isn't bad either, as far as I remember (last time I used it was more than a month ago...).
If I get around to it this weekend I'll put it on again and take som pictures ans put up here, ok? good.gif


Sorry AJ i should probs read all the threads, but have you tried the super tall yamaha screen the +145 or so ??

to be honest after doing 800 miles in rather nasty weather, my converted givi screen with the wing on top still buffets my head quite a lot, the wing definately helps, (had time to try every angle for a while) the best position to be honest for protection in the rain was fully up. and when the rain stopped (not for very long) it was better at the first click from bottom.

putting 5mm bolts under the mounts did help slightly but the rain pisses up the inside and runs up and down the screen dribbling everywhere then spits off and splats on the visor (also with all the rain comes shite and covers the clocks and inside of the screen). the screen also wobbles a lot because it is not clamped down correctly.

if the weather is fine and i fancy a good blast around with little or no wind then the stock screen is great, although in the wet its crap.

i am 6foot 1 inch and am watching AJ's research with great interest (keep up the good work) good.gif


Another consideration may be the helmet type as well as differing helmets get buffeted diferently my hjc suffers a lot less than my caberg jusissimo v 1

could possibly be another avenue for testing (although a very expensive route ) unsure.gif

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 06:28 pm

Don't know if this has been mentioned re noisy screens, but I have come across a fairly simple mod that doesn't take too much fitting - no drilling involved and no purchase of multiple screens. You don't need a huge amount of mechanical skill either, nor do the raw materials cost a lot. If I were a mercenary type I would advertise my knowledge on e-bay, say for a fiver, but for carpistes it's free. Here you have it then -
take two pieces of cylindrically shaped foam- like substance, preferably the same length, various colours possible. Place one between your for finger and thumb, roll it into a point and shove it in your lug-hole. Repeat procedure for second orifice.
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Posted 07 July 2007 - 08:22 pm

QUOTE(johnschmidt @ Sat 7th Jul 2007, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't know if this has been mentioned re noisy screens, but I have come across a fairly simple mod that doesn't take too much fitting - no drilling involved and no purchase of multiple screens. You don't need a huge amount of mechanical skill either, nor do the raw materials cost a lot. If I were a mercenary type I would advertise my knowledge on e-bay, say for a fiver, but for carpistes it's free. Here you have it then -
take two pieces of cylindrically shaped foam- like substance, preferably the same length, various colours possible. Place one between your for finger and thumb, roll it into a point and shove it in your lug-hole. Repeat procedure for second orifice.
There, wasn't that useful rolleyes.gif
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