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New Tyres:- Heidenau K60

Started by masterbrewer , Jan 23 2008 09:54 pm

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#1 masterbrewer

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 09:54 pm

Hi Guys

After procrastinating now since 2006, I've finally taken the plunge & fitted a Heidenau K60 140/80 17 rear to the TDM instead of replacing the poor mileage Korean made TKC 80 for aud$ 80 less @ aud195. Previously got an extra 3k's out of German made ones.

Before even riding on them, first impression is how deep the tread is, how soft the rubber feels, how much larger the diameter of the tyre is to the TKC although 6k worn in that shot, the Heidenau seems even larger than the 18" IRC GP110 Trailwinner 4.10S18 front.

I like the aggresive tread pattern too, as I hate to be turned back on a ride for lack of grip.

Mmmmmm..............large rear................... small front.................what handling problems have I now created maybe..????

I was always worried about fitting a 140/80 on a 4' rim, until I found a rim manufacturer quoting they are OK, as well as several Oz GSA guys saying that "BMW" are actually happy fitting + or - one tyre size is OK with them.

Expected tyre life is 13k (+) compared to the TKC 7,500kms(easy riding, < 5k a bit more spirited)

My style of riding doesn't create altra small "chicken strips" on the side of the tread as seen by the rubber nipples in the side lugs of the TKC in the photo, so the question of running out of side rubber on cornering isn't a worry either.

So?..........................................

I hope to be able to keep you informed.

Cheers

Edited by masterbrewer, 23 January 2008 - 10:02 pm.

Cheers dudes

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#2 robelst

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:41 pm

I had K60 on my Africa Twin a few times; everybody said I was mad fitting such "cheap rubbish" but I also think they are excellent. An Africa Twin will always be a poor off-roader but these tyres made it fun to try it anyway.

Not even too bad on tarmac

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#3 Jonc

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 10:22 am

I also use K60-s, both front and rear. The front one is actually a rear tyre that is mounted reverse. I am absolutely pleased with these cheap tires. Though I have no comparison with other dualsport tires...these are my first. I've ridden them one summer (about 7000km). They can handle gravel, some mud, sand, dry tarmac pretty well. The only problem is wet tarmac, where it feels a little bit too slippery.

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#4 masterbrewer

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 10:31 am

G'Day Jonc

So far I'm really pleased with the K60's on both dry tar & dirt. They have changed the handling of the TDM so much that they install much more directional stability & confidence on all dirt surfaces than the "floaty feeling" TKC's

Unusual though that they seem to work better at a higher pressure of 34 psi compared with the TKC's working better on dirt at lower pressures.

What pressures do you run Jonc?

Cheers

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#5 TonyDevil

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 06:48 pm

wonder if they make these in the correct sizes for my S10
need a new set of tyres there soon

"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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#6 Guest_erdferkel_*

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 09:32 pm

hello,

QUOTE(TonyDevil @ Sun 17th Feb 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

wonder if they make these in the correct sizes for my S10
need a new set of tyres there soon

a quick look at the www.reifenwerk-heidenau.de page brought the following result:

XTZ 750 Super Tenere
90/90 - 21 M/C 54T TL K60 front

140/80 - 17 M/C 69H TL K60 rear

available dimensions:

k 60 front

rear

HTH

glückauf
ralf

pig looking for truffles

Edited by erdferkel, 17 February 2008 - 09:34 pm.

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#7 TonyDevil

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 12:39 am

QUOTE(erdferkel @ Sun 17th Feb 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

pig looking for truffles

truffles found

i'll be popping over to the tyre guy in reading and ordering a set me thinks

"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me

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#8 Jonc

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 09:45 am

QUOTE(masterbrewer @ Sun 17th Feb 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What pressures do you run Jonc?

34-35 Psi and 15 psi on snow

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#9 masterbrewer

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 11:36 am

QUOTE(Jonc @ Mon 18th Feb 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

34-35 Psi and 15 psi on snow

Hi Jonc

Sorry, I should have been more specific, do you vary your pressures for different surfaces apart from snow (which would not be a reality for me in south Oz) ie with all our sand; hard packed & occasionally mud (can't remember the last time I road mud though)?

I'm getting the impression so far with them that I don't have to any more.

Hey Tony

......................glad I could help (indirectly, thanks erdferkel

) that's another few bonus points for when I can see my way over there for a ride.

Cheers

Cheers dudes

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* to see the latest masterbrewer "TDM Adventure Ride Reports" click "HERE"

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#10 TonyDevil

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 11:46 am

QUOTE(masterbrewer @ Mon 18th Feb 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Jonc

Sorry, I should have been more specific, do you vary your pressures for different surfaces apart from snow (which would not be a reality for me in south Oz) ie with all our sand; hard packed & occasionally mud (can't remember the last time I road mud though)?

I'm getting the impression so far with them that I don't have to any more.

Hey Tony

......................glad I could help (indirectly, thanks erdferkel

) that's another few bonus points for when I can see my way over there for a ride.

Cheers

lol as long as you aint coming over between sept08 and april09(coz it'll be on the med coast, somewhere between UK & Israel) the S10 will be here all kitted out waiting for you

"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me

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#11 masterbrewer

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 12:06 pm

If you happen to over shoot Israel,

I can show you some real good scenery in the Flinders Ranges.

I'm heading up there early April with some "Dirt Bike World" guys and should come back with lots of photo's for the next ride report.

Only trouble with those boys is that they all want to "race everywhere" & not take time to "smell the roses".

Be interesting how the TDM handles the mountain tracks

with the KTM's, Dr's & Dominators .

Cheers dudes

"Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder"

* to see the latest masterbrewer "TDM Adventure Ride Reports" click "HERE"

click here to read: "Adventure Riding Assumption of Risk"

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#12 TonyDevil

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 01:12 pm

i wish

that would be one hell of an overshoot

good luck tho, i'm sure you'll keep up with them

"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me

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#13 Jonc

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 02:26 pm

QUOTE(masterbrewer @ Mon 18th Feb 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Jonc

Sorry, I should have been more specific, do you vary your pressures for different surfaces apart from snow (which would not be a reality for me in south Oz) ie with all our sand; hard packed & occasionally mud (can't remember the last time I road mud though)?

I'm getting the impression so far with them that I don't have to any more.

No, I've not tried to vary pressures as I have not had the feeling I must do it.

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