g'day, pardon my iggerance but wot exackly do bar ends do? besides tidy up the ends of the bars.
I'm wanting to change the stock bars off my '06 900 for something a bit flatter in angle. (But I cant find an allen key that fits the bloody 'ole in the bar ends.)
I'm slowly getting a limp wrist! So I'm thinking new bars and ends to go!
I read somewhere they were designed to damp vibration?
Prithee enlighten this old bugger...I just turned 55 and am planning to fettle the chariot for some travel with the memsahib.
As well can any of the aussies on here give a review of the RJays top boxes, luggage etc ?. They're a bloody sight cheaper than Givi round Brisbane and they look alright, bright young thing at the Yamaha place reckoned the included brackets and whatnot were "universal" then again she thought a TDM was a mid range trail bike.
Ta ever so. Giza.
Bar Ends ?
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 10:25 am
The 900 bar ends take a standard 8mm hex key. They're supposed to damp vibration, but Baron told me the other day he's been riding his 900 without them recently while waiting for them to returned from the machine shop (fitting handguards) and found little difference.
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 11:50 am
QUOTE(giza @ Mon 10th Mar 2008, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
g'day, pardon my iggerance but wot exackly do bar ends do? besides tidy up the ends of the bars.
I read somewhere they were designed to damp vibration?
I read somewhere they were designed to damp vibration?
Not just vibration but handlebar oscillations too i.e. supposed to help prevent tank slappers. On my 99 850 the bike still generates a wobble at low speeds <30 riding no hands (no, not tyre or steeringhead related etc.), and an increasing tank slapper until I put my hands on the grips again. This oscillation is not apparent when riding with both hands on the grips. So do they work?? I suppose I'll have to try riding without the bar ends in the manner described above.
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 12:01 pm
As Ian said, I have been running my 2007 9'er without any bar ends for a couple of weeks and was suprised to notice that there was no additional vibration or any other characteristic that wasn't there before.
They make no difference at all on my bike except to fill the holes at the ends of the bars.
They make no difference at all on my bike except to fill the holes at the ends of the bars.
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 12:16 pm
I rode without the bar ends a few days last summer.
Definately more vibrations through the handlebar without. Hands went all tingly after about 1hr of inspired driving.
Definately more vibrations through the handlebar without. Hands went all tingly after about 1hr of inspired driving.
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 02:41 pm
I must admit, that fitting bigger, heavier stainless steel ends did seem to make my bike more comfortable on motorways:
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 03:13 pm
i've been riding mine without bar ends and not noticed any differences 
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
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Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
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to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 07:48 pm
I remember once riding my jelly-mould CBR6 back from sunny Cornwall to Southampton(ish) and finding the handling slightly weird during the journey back. Anyway one of the bar end weights was not present when I got home. I've no idea when it fell off but it could have done some serious damage at the speeds I was travelling at. 
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:44 pm
QUOTE(Pict @ Mon 10th Mar 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I must admit, that fitting bigger, heavier stainless steel ends did seem to make my bike more comfortable on motorways:
hey up, they look grand
where did you get those from Ian? I quite fancy a pair 
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:57 pm
QUOTE(Baron @ Mon 10th Mar 2008, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hey up, they look grand where did you get those from Ian? I quite fancy a pair
where did you get those from Ian? I quite fancy a pair Ya mean these??
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 10:01 pm
Gone but not forgotten: 2007 TDM900ABS Competition White, datatagged, fenda extenda, tomtom rider 1, Yamaha main stand, Yamaha heated grips, HID headlights, Yamaha top box & city side cases, MRA Vario screen, CLS200 automatic chain oiler, Yamaha belly pan, DL650 handguards, Gi-Pro X gear indicator, SW-Motech Mirror Extensions, LED side light, Stebel Nautilus AIR HORN!!!!!
(1974....KTM Comet Cross, RD250B, XS750, Wife & kids, DT175, Suzuki GT500, XT500, XT500 (modified), ZX-10 (the 1st one!), Yamaha TT600R, Suzuki GT750B, GT750K, '04 TDM900, GSX1100F, '07 TDM900A, '06 FJR1300A
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:53 am
QUOTE(Pict @ Mon 10th Mar 2008, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ya mean these??
Some hardcore butt plugs, those. Just a 900 thread this?
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 10:08 am
QUOTE(Favs @ Mon 10th Mar 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not just vibration but handlebar oscillations too i.e. supposed to help prevent tank slappers. On my 99 850 the bike still generates a wobble at low speeds <30 riding no hands (no, not tyre or steeringhead related etc.), and an increasing tank slapper until I put my hands on the grips again. This oscillation is not apparent when riding with both hands on the grips. So do they work?? I suppose I'll have to try riding without the bar ends in the manner described above.
Isnt that supposed to be something to do with wheel balance, tyre wear or phases of the moon?
I cant remember a bike that didnt start doing it at low speed.
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 04:34 pm
Tell me about vibes - the little icon in my signature ain't far from the Burgman truth at tickover!
Still, it keeps the greenfly off the geraniums on the "windowsill", eh?
Still, it keeps the greenfly off the geraniums on the "windowsill", eh?
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 07:47 am
Talking about ' bar end weights '.
My Mk1 has non-standard end weights , the type that mushroom out as you tighten the allan screw. I would like to fit the standard Yam type but there's nothing to screw them into. I take it there should be some sort of threaded insert in the bar ends?
My Mk1 has non-standard end weights , the type that mushroom out as you tighten the allan screw. I would like to fit the standard Yam type but there's nothing to screw them into. I take it there should be some sort of threaded insert in the bar ends?
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not too sure about the MK I, but standard bars from a MKII its the end of the bars that is threaded to screw the bar ends into, no inserts.
i know that a few people on here have threaded the ends of their renthals to accept standard bar ends so they can fit handguards, not sure what size tap they used though.
i know that a few people on here have threaded the ends of their renthals to accept standard bar ends so they can fit handguards, not sure what size tap they used though.
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:23 am
QUOTE(Pantboy @ Wed 12th Mar 2008, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
not too sure about the MK I, but standard bars from a MKII its the end of the bars that is threaded to screw the bar ends into, no inserts.
i know that a few people on here have threaded the ends of their renthals to accept standard bar ends so they can fit handguards, not sure what size tap they used though.
i know that a few people on here have threaded the ends of their renthals to accept standard bar ends so they can fit handguards, not sure what size tap they used though.
I suspect my bars may not be standard. I remember the guy I got the bike from offering me another set with a slightly different profile. I didn't take them cause I was riding the bike back to Glasgow from Rochdale and they would have been in the way. Maybe they were the original bars!
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QUOTE(Pantboy @ Wed 12th Mar 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
not too sure about the MK I, but standard bars from a MKII its the end of the bars that is threaded to screw the bar ends into, no inserts.
i know that a few people on here have threaded the ends of their renthals to accept standard bar ends so they can fit handguards, not sure what size tap they used though.
i know that a few people on here have threaded the ends of their renthals to accept standard bar ends so they can fit handguards, not sure what size tap they used though.
If it is a "standard" Yamaha thread, then it is M16 x 1.5mm.
I bought those taps myself last year along with the special ones for recovering the threads in the carbs for the jets, the M6 x 0.5mm.
Those big barends look like they are the same as a Thunderace, heavy buggers, but boy do they work. The Ace was almost painful to ride without them.
FAVS,,
OK, I gotta ask though, why would anyone want to ride a bike at 30mphish with their hands off the bars? and then wonder why the bars waggle a bit???
Edited by stormy, 13 March 2008 - 10:01 am.
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1997 YAMAHA TDM850 which are obviously an acquired taste. I fink I'm starting to get it now.....
1998 DUCATI 748 ... one way of keeping an old man broke.
1999 YAMAHA Thunderace there is STILL no finer motorcycle
2008 SUZUKI Bandit 1250SA ...... fecked by yours truly, but ......... still fitted with the worlds most uncomfortable bike seat. ouch!
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Posted 13 March 2008 - 10:45 am
QUOTE(stormy @ Thu 13th Mar 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those big barends look like they are the same as a Thunderace, heavy buggers, but boy do they work.
Those stainless ones I showed are about 380 grams each as I recall (normal ones for the 900 are less than 310), and do seem to have an effect.
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FAVS,,
OK, I gotta ask though, why would anyone want to ride a bike at 30mphish with their hands off the bars? and then wonder why the bars waggle a bit???
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Occasionally one may need to make adjustment to oneself in the manliness department. Whilst I may not need both hands to acomplish this manoeuvre, it is neccesary to stand up at times, thus no hands on bars. Wobble wobble weavle and rapidly sit down to grasp handlebars and even worse (trapped testes arrrgggh).
Also occurs for even more minor events such as adjusting a glove (seated).
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