QUOTE(dandywarhol @ Sun 14th Jun 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Impressive repair - just keep the bassad greased! 
Bodge a scottoiler onto it!
Suspension Woes Part 2
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Posted 14 June 2009 - 11:36 pm
Bodge a scottoiler onto it!
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Posted 15 June 2009 - 03:10 pm
I can't beleive Yamaha don't put grease nipples on the suspension linkages anymore.
I've got a 1992 DT125 and it's got them!
It's really scary to think this might fail as I take my 10 year old son on the back with me. Although I've got a mkII 850, but I'll be checking it over before he comes on again!
And I thought a TDM would be safer to take pilions on then my Fireblade!
Nice work by the way, any chance you could provide some drawings and measurements of what you did? Others may benefit from this knowledge.
Cheers
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I've got a 1992 DT125 and it's got them!
It's really scary to think this might fail as I take my 10 year old son on the back with me. Although I've got a mkII 850, but I'll be checking it over before he comes on again!
And I thought a TDM would be safer to take pilions on then my Fireblade!
Nice work by the way, any chance you could provide some drawings and measurements of what you did? Others may benefit from this knowledge.
Cheers
Mark
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Posted 15 June 2009 - 07:26 pm
QUOTE(GuyGraham @ Sun 14th Jun 2009, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CB - If I was you I'd patent it pretty quick, then you can get royalties off Yam for every one sold when every other 900 frame cracks
I take it, its made from Al?
I'd keep on eye on it for stress failures
Might be better to make it out of steel.
You don't know what kind of stress is acting on it, and Al can be funny stuff
Otherwise good job, and I would not consider it a bodge, but 'adapt and overcome' your previous situation.
I see you have a Amada machine tools - they're UK HQ is in Kidderminster, just down the road from me, not that you need to know that
I take it, its made from Al?
I'd keep on eye on it for stress failures
Might be better to make it out of steel.
You don't know what kind of stress is acting on it, and Al can be funny stuff
Otherwise good job, and I would not consider it a bodge, but 'adapt and overcome' your previous situation.
I see you have a Amada machine tools - they're UK HQ is in Kidderminster, just down the road from me, not that you need to know that
Thanx GG, If I had patented all the things I've invented that have later been marketed by someone else I'd be a very rich man by now, but at the time it's just a little something to make my life easier, like this job was.
No it's not aluminium it's all 10 and 12mm steel(S275 J2).
Have you ever been in that place(Amada HQ) there is some loverly machines in there.
QUOTE(markallinson @ Mon 15th Jun 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't beleive Yamaha don't put grease nipples on the suspension linkages anymore.
I've got a 1992 DT125 and it's got them!
It's really scary to think this might fail as I take my 10 year old son on the back with me. Although I've got a mkII 850, but I'll be checking it over before he comes on again!
And I thought a TDM would be safer to take pilions on then my Fireblade!
Nice work by the way, any chance you could provide some drawings and measurements of what you did? Others may benefit from this knowledge.
Cheers
Mark
I've got a 1992 DT125 and it's got them!
It's really scary to think this might fail as I take my 10 year old son on the back with me. Although I've got a mkII 850, but I'll be checking it over before he comes on again!
And I thought a TDM would be safer to take pilions on then my Fireblade!
Nice work by the way, any chance you could provide some drawings and measurements of what you did? Others may benefit from this knowledge.
Cheers
Mark
I wouldn't worry about it Mark, as I said before, it's very unlikely that this will happen to another bike.
I come from an off road background and pay no heed to pot holes and raised ironworks, riding 2 up(200kg) I just crash through or over them and expect a road biased bike to be as strong an MX1 bike.
In all fairness it had taken it for 65000 miles.
If I had designed it from scratch I would have made the original mounting points at least double the thickness to take the abuse I give them.
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Posted 16 June 2009 - 07:44 pm
QUOTE(celticbiker @ Mon 15th Jun 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanx GG, If I had patented all the things I've invented that have later been marketed by someone else I'd be a very rich man by now, but at the time it's just a little something to make my life easier, like this job was.
No it's not aluminium it's all 10 and 12mm steel(S275 J2).
Have you ever been in that place(Amada HQ) there is some loverly machines in there.
No it's not aluminium it's all 10 and 12mm steel(S275 J2).
Have you ever been in that place(Amada HQ) there is some loverly machines in there.
Made from Steel - that's good then
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 12:57 am
QUOTE(DufferzTDM @ Mon 15th Jun 2009, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bodge a scottoiler onto it!
Should have put a grease nipple in there when you had the chance.
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 09:18 am
To keep you updated here is the email I recieved from Yamaha UK after their technical (read legal)department had looked at it.
For the Attention of Steve Griffiths
Following our earlier reply, we have now referred your enquiry to our
technical staff who have advised they are unaware of any problems with the
suspension mount points on the 2002 TDM900 model, in general.
They have mentioned however, that this area of the machine requires routine
servicing and maintenance. It is recommended that the rear suspension
relay arm and connecting arm pivoting points are checked for correct
operation and lubricated with lithium soap based grease, at various
servicing intervals. Details may be found in the Periodic Maintenance and
Repair section of your Owner's Handbook.
If maintained as recommended, there should be no undue issues. However,
should you remain concerned in this matter, we would suggest that you have
your machine inspected by an authorised Yamaha dealer, which will be able
to discuss their findings with our technical staff, if necessary.
We hope the information provided will be of assistance.
Regards,
Don Manley
Service Department
After Sales Division
For the Attention of Steve Griffiths
Following our earlier reply, we have now referred your enquiry to our
technical staff who have advised they are unaware of any problems with the
suspension mount points on the 2002 TDM900 model, in general.
They have mentioned however, that this area of the machine requires routine
servicing and maintenance. It is recommended that the rear suspension
relay arm and connecting arm pivoting points are checked for correct
operation and lubricated with lithium soap based grease, at various
servicing intervals. Details may be found in the Periodic Maintenance and
Repair section of your Owner's Handbook.
If maintained as recommended, there should be no undue issues. However,
should you remain concerned in this matter, we would suggest that you have
your machine inspected by an authorised Yamaha dealer, which will be able
to discuss their findings with our technical staff, if necessary.
We hope the information provided will be of assistance.
Regards,
Don Manley
Service Department
After Sales Division
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 09:40 am
So it's your fault for not maintaining it properly, there's a surprise then. Typical response from a manufacturer!
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 10:12 am
I'd be interested to see what the Yam stealer says now if you get it inspected post modification 
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 11:36 am
Std Yamaha brush off
I'd go down the VOSA route as a saftey issue, and notify Yamaha as such, then see what they got to say
If it had collapsed whilst corning you may well have been injured / killed
I'd go down the VOSA route as a saftey issue, and notify Yamaha as such, then see what they got to say
If it had collapsed whilst corning you may well have been injured / killed
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 03:58 pm
Chris,
Had it MOT'd the day after I replaced it all and the examiner didn't even notice.
GG,
I was cornering, it was really only the centre stand that saved us from an off.
Don't really want to go down VOSA route. As I have stated before I'm pretty sure I brought this on myself. I just wanted them to be aware that it can happen.
Had it MOT'd the day after I replaced it all and the examiner didn't even notice.
GG,
I was cornering, it was really only the centre stand that saved us from an off.
Don't really want to go down VOSA route. As I have stated before I'm pretty sure I brought this on myself. I just wanted them to be aware that it can happen.
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QUOTE(celticbiker @ Wed 17th Jun 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was cornering, it was really only the centre stand that saved us from an off.
Don't really want to go down VOSA route. As I have stated before I'm pretty sure I brought this on myself. I just wanted them to be aware that it can happen.
Don't really want to go down VOSA route. As I have stated before I'm pretty sure I brought this on myself. I just wanted them to be aware that it can happen.
Unless its a legislative body (or similar) beating them on the head with a big stick, you might as send your emails straight to the trash bin.
Whats the deal with not informing VOSA of a potentially fatal failure with a part of your bike?
Its not like they are going to charge you to submit a report or anything like that
Can only help anybody else who suffers the same fate
If they get enough instances then they will force Yamaha to act
Yamaha will ignore you everytime - they are not going to go to the trouble and cost and rectifiying your bike
or you could send it into MCN and get it on the letters page - that might suddenly make them see the error of their ways
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 12:26 pm
Good job CB, i'm very impressed and want to be your friend !!! You'd be a good man to make bash plates, crash bars, luggege racks etc and make yerself some extra cash in the process. I wouldn't tell VOSA in case they inspected your bike and declared the mod unsafe and wrote the bike off !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 12:54 pm
QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Sun 21st Jun 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good job CB, i'm very impressed and want to be your friend !!! You'd be a good man to make bash plates, crash bars, luggege racks etc and make yerself some extra cash in the process. I wouldn't tell VOSA in case they inspected your bike and declared the mod unsafe and wrote the bike off !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dats da bunny right there GG
Thats roit Wicky we avant met yet.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:54 pm
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Dats da bunny right there GG
Thats roit Wicky we avant met yet.
COS YOU DON'T RIDE YOUR BIKE NO MORE
Thats roit Wicky we avant met yet.
COS YOU DON'T RIDE YOUR BIKE NO MORE
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engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:54 pm
QUOTE(celticbiker @ Sun 21st Jun 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dats da bunny right there GG
Thats roit Wicky we avant met yet.
COS YOU DON'T RIDE YOUR BIKE NO MORE
Thats roit Wicky we avant met yet.
COS YOU DON'T RIDE YOUR BIKE NO MORE
well, shouldn't you be worried then that if they declare it unsafe that you are riding around on it.
VOSA can't write a bike off - only insurance company's can do that
VOSA recently did VIC on our car which was a write off following a bump - it clearly states that they don't inspect the quality of the repair. The car had to have a new MOT to be allowed back on the road, but that was all.
The only test they have is the std bike MOT, & Single Vehicle Type approval, and it anit gonna fail either of them. Its not like they've got endurance tests to test for stress fails or FEA analysis of your 'design' of new linkage mounting point is it
Hell, I can make a bike in my shed, put it through the Single Vehicle type approval test and put it on the road
The test only looks for legal requirements like lights, brakes etc
It is not a verification that the design is any good, just that the vehicle meets the requirements of the law to be allowed on the road.
I'd still be inclinded to do it, if only to help out any future TDM'ers whose bike fails in the same way
Edited by GuyGraham, 21 June 2009 - 03:56 pm.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:36 pm
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well, shouldn't you be worried then that if they declare it unsafe that you are riding around on it.
VOSA can't write a bike off - only insurance company's can do that
VOSA recently did VIC on our car which was a write off following a bump - it clearly states that they don't inspect the quality of the repair. The car had to have a new MOT to be allowed back on the road, but that was all.
The only test they have is the std bike MOT, & Single Vehicle Type approval, and it anit gonna fail either of them. Its not like they've got endurance tests to test for stress fails or FEA analysis of your 'design' of new linkage mounting point is it
Hell, I can make a bike in my shed, put it through the Single Vehicle type approval test and put it on the road
The test only looks for legal requirements like lights, brakes etc
It is not a verification that the design is any good, just that the vehicle meets the requirements of the law to be allowed on the road.
I'd still be inclinded to do it, if only to help out any future TDM'ers whose bike fails in the same way
VOSA can't write a bike off - only insurance company's can do that
VOSA recently did VIC on our car which was a write off following a bump - it clearly states that they don't inspect the quality of the repair. The car had to have a new MOT to be allowed back on the road, but that was all.
The only test they have is the std bike MOT, & Single Vehicle Type approval, and it anit gonna fail either of them. Its not like they've got endurance tests to test for stress fails or FEA analysis of your 'design' of new linkage mounting point is it
Hell, I can make a bike in my shed, put it through the Single Vehicle type approval test and put it on the road
The test only looks for legal requirements like lights, brakes etc
It is not a verification that the design is any good, just that the vehicle meets the requirements of the law to be allowed on the road.
I'd still be inclinded to do it, if only to help out any future TDM'ers whose bike fails in the same way
Actually thats exactly what I thought they would do
Even though I am happy that the design is up to the job I am well versed in the bureaucracy involved in design and fabrication.
They could claim that J2 is too high a standard and that I should have used J4.
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cb glad its all sorted& you& the missus is ok . sorry for me late post.well impressed with ya mod m8 you truely are a good tech fella .many regards
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Actually thats exactly what I thought they would do
Even though I am happy that the design is up to the job I am well versed in the bureaucracy involved in design and fabrication.
They could claim that J2 is too high a standard and that I should have used J4.
Even though I am happy that the design is up to the job I am well versed in the bureaucracy involved in design and fabrication.
They could claim that J2 is too high a standard and that I should have used J4.
The muppets wouldn't know the difference between J2 and pig iron, or even tin foil for that matter, but its your choice
They aren't engineer's, just glorified MOT testers
They aren't qualified to offer opinions on design matters, just conformance to the law of said vehicles
Edited by GuyGraham, 07 July 2009 - 07:44 pm.
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