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[cupasoop]

Being a hard luggage virgin until last week, I'm now looking for a top box to complete the set. Only troube is I havnt got a clue what what i need, or for that matter, what i already have. To make it simpler i took a pic of whats there at the moment.



Now, i'm guessing that thing is a kappa wing rack (feel free to correct me at any time) but all the other wingracks i've looked at, on flea bay, seem to have an extra bit going accross the top for the top box to sit on. I've had a search and came accross this, Parts List which seems to list what i have as KA9N. A couple of lines bellow that theres a K8100, a bridge kit. Is this what i'm after to join the 2 racks together? Theres no pictures so i'm guessing here.

Alternitivley, how else would i attach a top box to whats there already (if anyone knows what type of side case that is in the pic could they tell me).

Monokey, monorack wingrack my heads gonna burst

[nitram]

That's a Givi Wingrack, or rather, part of a Givi Wingrack.

Here you go this is what you have

N150 - Chassis with indicators

What you need is the top from the N140 Wingrack

I have rung Givi in the UK a few times having had the reflectors on my E52 Maxia case fall off, they sent me new ones free of charge And after having a key snap in the lock they gave me the part number and I ordered a new lock from Gericke's for a mere £7

Here is the number 01327 706220

All you need the the top plate and the side arm thingies that bole onto your existing side plates.

The mountings on the top plate are exactly the same as the side arms so a pannier will fit onto a top plate and top box will fit onto a side plate too.

Monorack = just the rack with topbox plate
Wingrack = A full kit with either fitments for 2 side panniers, or including a top plate so you can fit 2 side panniers and a top box.
Monokey = If you order a Wingrack (either 2 or 3 box kit) and order the 2 or 3 boxes at the same time then Givi will supply all 3 with the same keys.

Now in your case where you have the 2 case wingrack, you should have 2 case with the same key. If you now buy a 3rd case, it will have a different key.
You can order a new set of 3 locks and specify the same keys for all 3, this will cost you about £21 for 3 locks.

Now then, as for the case you have, I can't really tell from the mere glimpse in the picture, but, it looks like either a E360 or a V46

[cupasoop]

Thanks Nitram, as long as I know that I can get the arm bits seperately then I've got a better idea what to look for.

Ps, I called it a kappa rack coz it's got kappa stamped accross the middle of it , although I think i've heard in the past that kappa is just rabranded givi stuff so it would be identical then.

[Pict]

Hello N., me seeking your advice again. I have a Givi Monorack (off a TDM900) waiting to fit. Is it enough to attach it to the bike's rack and grabrails etc., without the diagonal struts down to the passenger peg area, or are they essential? They look a bit ugly and I'm not planning on panniers - will probably go for a Wingrack if I ever do. Ta in anticipation.

[TonyDevil]

Thanks Nitram, as long as I know that I can get the arm bits seperately then I've got a better idea what to look for.

Ps, I called it a kappa rack coz it's got kappa stamped accross the middle of it , although I think i've heard in the past that kappa is just rabranded givi stuff so it would be identical then.

yup its a kappa rack, otherwise nitrams comments are spot on. RIP Kappa.
kappa are just a lighter weight plastic version of the givi one, but still made by givi.
they are MUCH lighter, but 1 drop and its toast.
also the givi will withstand a hell of a lot more weight being loaded on it.
you can mix and match kappa/givi parts, so the givi bridge bit will work on yours.

however, if you are a little mechanically minded then the kinda setup that amarko5 has would prob work for you.
it doesnt require any modification to you existing rack and mounts on the grab handle.
i'll try and find a link to details of marko's mounting....

[nitram]

Hello N., me seeking your advice again. I have a Givi Monorack (off a TDM900) waiting to fit. Is it enough to attach it to the bike's rack and grabrails etc., without the diagonal struts down to the passenger peg area, or are they essential? They look a bit ugly and I'm not planning on panniers - will probably go for a Wingrack if I ever do. Ta in anticipation.

You might find that Givi do a mounting kit to fit a top box plate to the existing 900 rack.
A mate had a Honda 125 Varaderro, we found him an E52 maxia at a breakers and he bought a mounting kit from Givi to fit it to the V's rack.

I found this on the Givi website.
They say:

In order to fit the Monolock boxes use the plate included; to fit the Monokey cases use the E250 plate (which is sold separately).

As you have a monorack then you could just unbolt the top plate and bolt it to this kit. Extra expense though
The diagonal struts are fairly essential to the structural stability of the rack.
The best thing to do would be to fit the rack without the diagonal struts and see how bouncy it is
If it's not too bad then leave them off, I would say that it is all dependant upon the amount of weight you are gonna carry.

[wicklamulla]

Cuppasoup be carefull what bits ya order as the Kappa rack which you and i both have are made of Nylon/plastic, the Givi one is made from cast alloy or some udder type of metal i don't know the correct terminoloogy for !!!! the Givi top bridge you order cud be a metal one and i dunno if yer meant to mix the metal and plastic parts ?? Kappa stuff shud still be available from Phoenix distribution (ask a dealer fer their number) i have had a spill on me TDM (identical to yours also!!) and the plastic Kappa rack save the back of the bike when i was hit by a van, the rack needed 2 new top arms but udder than that it was perfect, i also tink the plastic one is better than the metal one (i am biased of course!) as it does not have a paint finish to loose or corrosion to suffer from, and you can easily/safely carry as much luggage/weight as any udder Kappa or Givi wingrack, unless Kappa state a lower weight carrying capicity than Givi you can take me statement as "Gospel" !!!!

[cupasoop]

Thanks for the replies all

Wiki i think this is the folk your talking about http://www.phoenixnw...uk/contact.html

[wicklamulla]

Thanks for the replies all

Wiki i think this is the folk your talking about http://www.phoenixnw...uk/contact.html

aye really good peeps to deal with, they couldn't do enuf to help me a couple of years back when i converted my Kappa rack to both accept both Monolock panniers and a Monokey topbox (it can be done !)

with a bit of luck Phoenix shud be able ta help ya out, if not get back to me and oil dig out me receipt and dubble check the contact details.

[cupasoop]

aye really good peeps to deal with, they couldn't do enuf to help me a couple of years back when i converted my Kappa rack to both accept both Monolock panniers and a Monokey topbox (it can be done !)

with a bit of luck Phoenix shud be able ta help ya out, if not get back to me and oil dig out me receipt and dubble check the contact details.

Aww, I almost had it there and now I'm confused again. Whats the difference between monolock and monokey?

[Pict]

Aww, I almost had it there and now I'm confused again. Whats the difference between monolock and monokey?

According to a recent chat with Givi, Monolock boxes are single-skin, and generally smaller, for scooters - the racks are designed accordingly, and the boxes not generally guaranteed to perform at higher speeds as on fast bikes (Have been known to come off). Monokey are for bikes - boxes are double-skin, go up to bigger sizes and racks are stronger. So they said, at any rate.

[cupasoop]

Thanks Pict, monokey box it will be then, once i've ebayed all my old firestorm goodies to free up some cash for tdm goodies

[Buzz]

Hi guys,

The difference between the Momolock and Monokey systems are as follows (I think)

Monolock - Has two slots (each two inches-ish long) on the rack that two lugs on the box fit into

Monokey - Has two knobs (20mm high 10mm diam) on the rack that slot into to horseshoe (sort of) shaped recesses on the box

The locking methods appear identical, the Monokey tends to be more popular with bikes and the monolock more popular with scoots etc. This leads to quite a price difference.

As far as I am aware all Givi and Kappa bits of all sorts are compatible although bear in mind what Wiccky said about plastic and metal.

I had a full Kappa Monokey system and found that the top plate on the rack had a serious amount of flexing in it. Changed the rack for a Givi rack, kept the kappa fitting kit and have had no problems at all the whole set up is solid as a rock. Using Kappa boxes and soon looking to upgrade to Givi which do appear stronger (hence the price)

Also read the specs and maximum weights carefull y and note the Givi max weights are greater than Kappa

Hope this helps Buzz

[Andy850]

If you do not want to spend the money for a TDM specific mounting parts, I took the short cut that others have as well - drill four holes in the rear handle on the bike and bolt down the mounting plate for the top case. Since the handle itself is bolted to the bike frame, it is strong as ever, and being aluminium, very easy to drill through. I jotted a description: http://www-personal....~andrey/TDM850/

Best,
Andy

[Guinness]

had my 3 givi monokey cases and full wing rack for 15 years now

dropped the bike with full luggage twice,
first time while filtering thru traffic: the side arm broke and the case slid over the road for about 15meters... hardly any scratch on it

gaffa taped the side arm and secured it with some rope and we continued trip to spain... no problem

other time it was parked but the sidepeg drilled itself into the ground.
bike with 3 fully loaded cases toppled over on the side pannier ...
no damage ... still working

just bought a new topplate as current one is worn out. i ALWAYS have my topcase on.
just try to reduce the slack or vibration to a minimum with some rubber or foam patches

plus you can get every single bit from the shop. the lock slider was worn out meaning you could pick up the topcase without the key.
15EURO later... fixed.

transferred the entire rack from the Mk1 to the 9er.
requires 3 new pieces totalling 85euros. both arms going from where the exhausts connect to the side arm of the rack.
and one piece that replaces the grabrail.(got a picture on here somewhere)
EDIT: http://www.carpe-tdm...&...post&p=7932

GIVI RULES !

Edited by Guinness, 31 July 2006 - 04:01 pm.

[cupasoop]

If you do not want to spend the money for a TDM specific mounting parts, I took the short cut that others have as well - drill four holes in the rear handle on the bike and bolt down the mounting plate for the top case. Since the handle itself is bolted to the bike frame, it is strong as ever, and being aluminium, very easy to drill through. I jotted a description: http://www-personal....~andrey/TDM850/

Best,
Andy

Ohh, a money saving idea, I like it

Worth considering, cheers Andy.

[wicklamulla]

Hi guys,

The difference between the Momolock and Monokey systems are as follows (I think)

Monolock - Has two slots (each two inches-ish long) on the rack that two lugs on the box fit into

Monokey - Has two knobs (20mm high 10mm diam) on the rack that slot into to horseshoe (sort of) shaped recesses on the box

The locking methods appear identical, the Monokey tends to be more popular with bikes and the monolock more popular with scoots etc. This leads to quite a price difference.

As far as I am aware all Givi and Kappa bits of all sorts are compatible although bear in mind what Wiccky said about plastic and metal.

I had a full Kappa Monokey system and found that the top plate on the rack had a serious amount of flexing in it. Changed the rack for a Givi rack, kept the kappa fitting kit and have had no problems at all the whole set up is solid as a rock. Using Kappa boxes and soon looking to upgrade to Givi which do appear stronger (hence the price)

Also read the specs and maximum weights carefull y and note the Givi max weights are greater than Kappa

Hope this helps Buzz

thanx Buzz, thats interesting reading. i gotta admit me Kappa top plate does flex when the topbox is fitted (peeps have said this to me at the RTT) but the side racks fer the panniers do seem stable enuf, having said that i do remember thinking that PK's Givi wingrack on his mkI was seemingly rock solid in comparrison to my plastic Kappa one i has no idea that the stated carrying capicity was different !!! as fer the dubble skin/single skin theory i think it sounds a bit far fetched and i tink along the same lines as Buzz regarding monolock/monokey differences. if unsure then opt fer the Givi kit over the Kappa stuff just to be sure, to be sure.

Edited by wicklamulla, 01 August 2006 - 07:29 am.