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#1 Bigbill55

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 02:09 pm

My 3VD recently began leaking coolant from the thermostat cover, It appears to be a common problem, caused by the cover warping. I removed the complete thermostat housing to investigate further, and found that the cover was quite flexible, and if I pushed the centre of the cover I could close the gap that had appeared between the cover and the housing. So I decided to make a bracket to apply pressure to the centre of the cover. Looking through my off cuts of scrap I decided on a strip of 3mm x 20mm. A bit of metal bashing in the vice, and 20 minutes later I had knocked it into shape, making sure that when the bracket was touching the centre of the housing, there was about 2mm clearance beneath the ends to allow it to pull down when tightened. The holes were marked and drilled, and the excess cut off the ends. A couple of coats of paint and it was done. It has pulled the cover flush with the housing all the way round. Hope this idea helps as it appears to be a very common problem.

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 02:25 pm

Neat fix. OEM just need another bolt or two hey!!

I also extended the wiring to thermo so that a ridiculous amount of gubbins doesn't have to be removed to access it.
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Posted 12 January 2020 - 05:47 pm

Nice work BigBill.



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Posted 12 January 2020 - 06:56 pm

Looks good


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 07:57 am

Clever !  :good:


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 09:06 am

very good.  a few weeks ago a chap on a Facebook TDM page manufactured an aluminium one using CNC milling machines or such loike. 


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 12:19 pm

looks good, might just do this anyways when I replace the cyl head


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 12:30 pm

looks good, might just do this anyways when I replace the cyl head

 

 

agreed as it's a bit of a faff to fix when it goes wrong so prevention is better than cure plus it's one less thing to be concerned about.


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 05:56 pm

clever fix! one for the archives of TDM ownership. :good:


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 07:43 pm

very good.  a few weeks ago a chap on a Facebook TDM page manufactured an aluminium one using CNC milling machines or such loike. 

CNC a bracket like that would be expensive in alloy.


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 10:32 pm

I know a guy that could probably cast that thermostat housing in alloy fairly easily, would just need the face flattening, would need a housing to make the mould though.

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Posted 13 January 2020 - 11:03 pm

CNC a bracket like that would be expensive in alloy.

 

 

i'd imagine so,  a few of us quizzed him on cost but i think he did it as a 'homer' at his work place so no costs were mentioned.


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 09:12 am

It would be difficult to face a casting, because if you look closely it has a raised part where the O ring sits. It isn't completely flat. After taking a few measurements with a vernier I found that even with the raised part it only pushed the O ring just past the edge of the taper in the housing. the O ring sits about 1 mm from the bottom of the recess  in the housing. Without the raised part in the cover the O ring would sit on the edge of the tapered lead, and wouldn't reach the flat part of the recess.



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Posted 15 September 2020 - 10:54 am

I had noticed a "deposit" on clutch case that left a residue.. not a bird plop. On washing the boike today oi noticed the tell tale trail on cam cover and a single drop from bottom of thermo... Hgarrrrg (getting warmed up for talk like a pirate day).

Hoorah for extended wiring. Gonna try the Bob fix.
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Posted 15 September 2020 - 02:46 pm

Having peramgerlated on it a bit more....wouldn't it be better to apply pressure where the two extra bolts should have been rather than where the already 2 inadequate bolts are? Press down bits needs to to poopoodockular to existing bolts.
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Posted 15 September 2020 - 04:01 pm

I've recently had the same leak issue from mine, and got a second hand thermo housing which leaked worse than the original. (Obvs didn't realise this until I'd filled the system and re-run). 

 

I found the same problem in that it warps, and with pressure you can close the gap. I in the end had to seal both sides with silicon sealant. 

 

However, watch out, because after I'd done this, although it fixed the leak from the housing, it then started leaking from the hose from the engine and then to the housing, so they both also had to be PTFE taped and sealed to stop those from leaking. All dry now though. You'd of thought after 29 years she'd of stopped wetting herself. 



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Posted 15 September 2020 - 04:05 pm

I last repaired mine prolly 10+ years ago so it's done ok but I just don't like how badly designed it is.
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Posted 15 September 2020 - 08:13 pm

I remember looking at mine when it leaked and thought it'd need some ingenuity to design a bracket that puts equal pressure on the thermostat housing cap.

 

From memory, doesn't the 9'er thermostat housing have a metal cap ?  Might be worth seeing if the thermostat is swappable/moddable ?


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Posted 16 September 2020 - 05:31 pm

Thanks for sharing your solution! Will check my bike now ...



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Posted 16 September 2020 - 07:58 pm

I dunno oubt boubt 9er thermo/cap SR but worth a look.

It's such an akurd shape. An exhaust style clamp what pulls the two faces together as it tightened would be neat .... But think one of the plastic tube connections would prolly be in the way.
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