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Started by MarkyMark , May 04 2007 12:01 pm

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#1 MarkyMark

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 12:01 pm

53 TDM900 = Broke down.

Symptoms - bike will not start - turns over but clock resets etc. dry.gif

RAC man and myself reckon battery too low to supply lights and fuel pump so. Sugests alternator not working. Jump starts, but less tha 12v accross battery when revving.

RAC phones their "technical people" and he advises buying a new battery. I was slightly suspicious, because they used to scam car drivers with battery sales a few years ago,

Anyway, RAC takes me to George white in Slough. I buy new battery £75 and we fit it. Same problems. Battery not getting anythin into it when engine revving.

Sugests alternator problem (just like before battery purchased) ranting.gif , so RAC man gets me recovered home. £75 quid wasted.

Is this an alternator problem? Is there a rectifier? I know rectifiers burn out. That sounds cheeper than an alternator.

Anyway, I now have to convince RAC to refund £75 for unneeded battery.

And get bike to garage for repair. ranting.gif

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#2 MarkyMark

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 02:44 pm

Well - blow me

Service Manual
- TROUBLE SHOOTING 9-6
- - Faulty Lighting or Signaling System

Headlight Bulb Burnt Out - potential cause = faulty rectifier.

I changed a headlight bulb a week ago.

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How come some rectyifiers cost £4.00 and a TDM rectifier costs £90

A rectifier is a rectifier ??????????????????????///

Edited by MarkyMark, 04 May 2007 - 02:49 pm.

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GTR1400 - Chaufer the wife.
XT660Z - Fun and commute.
TDM900 - Yellow.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 02:54 pm

QUOTE(MarkyMark @ Fri 4th May 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well - blow me

Service Manual
- TROUBLE SHOOTING 9-6
- - Faulty Lighting or Signaling System

Headlight Bulb Burnt Out - potential cause = faulty rectifier.

I changed a headlight bulb a week ago.

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How come some rectyifiers cost £4.00 and a TDM rectifier costs £90

A rectifier is a rectifier ??????????????????????///

i've got a spare brandnew Electrexs RR98 heavy duty regulator sitting in my garage in Wokingham.
dunno if its the correct one, but its the model that fits the mk1, lemme know if you want it.

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to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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#4 MarkyMark

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 04:01 pm

Cheers Tonesk - Just found pool of crap watery shite in white side connection - Might just be that. Need Ohm-meter to test Rectifier. Might invest in meter - cheeper than a rectifier

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 08:08 pm

QUOTE(MarkyMark @ Fri 4th May 2007, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cheers Tonesk - Just found pool of crap watery shite in white side connection - Might just be that. Need Ohm-meter to test Rectifier. Might invest in meter - cheeper than a rectifier


Try this fault flow chart ot see if it is the RR.
http://www.electrosp...ult_finding.pdf

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 08:30 am

Most people who've had a regulator fail have had the opposite problem, way too much voltage when revving the engine. Mine was making over 17.5v at 2500 rpm and cooked my battery. If you can get your hands on a meter it's probably worth checking it before replacing. If there's less than 12v across the battery when revving then it sounds like wither the altenator has failed or the regulator has blown completely and nothing is getting through. Volt meter on the cable in to the regulator should tell you something but bear in mind it's AC not DC at that point, most multimeters have built in rectifier though.

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#7 MarkyMark

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 06:54 pm

Thanks TDMTAM & ChrisG

Cannot start the bike on battery.

Can start with a jump from a car, but as soon as remove jump leads, reading accross the battery terminal starts to drop. Revving has no effect on reading accross terminals.

Still considering what to do. Unfortunately summer bikers have my local George Whites booked up for the next 4 weeks.

Service manual from JBX shows how to test a RR, but only shows 3 connectors. My RR has a black socket with three connectors in, and a white socket with three connectors in. Not sure which side to test.

Probably in too deep with the DIY diagnosis. Will have to fork out cash.

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 07:54 pm

Sounds like nothing comming out of regulator, but the question is is anything going in?

Haynes manual reckons trace the wire from the alternator to a plug, should be a 3 pin. Measure the resistance between each of the 3 wires (total 3 readings). Not got figures for a 900 but a Mk1 should be 0.2-0.3 ohms, and a Mk2 0.23-0.35 ohms so 900 is probably similar. Then check resistance of each of the 3 to earth, should be infinate. Anything dodgy there it's likely to be a knackered alternator, if not it's the regulator.

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 07:36 am

QUOTE(MarkyMark @ Fri 4th May 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well - blow me


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#10 MarkyMark

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 07:27 pm

QUOTE(Edman @ Tue 8th May 2007, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you get any pms? wub.gif blink.gif



No Edman - Your the first. blink.gif Thanks for the offer. unsure.gif I'll just check with some of the other 900 riders before I make my mind up.

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 06:19 pm

whats the update?



on the electrics... figured ild better specify.
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 08:13 pm

Thanks for the interest Guiness

Bike still with George White in swindon. They have diagnosed it as the alternator failure (3 weeks ago) but seem to be having trouble obtaining a replacement from Yamaha.

Sufferring serious bike withdrawal.

Guiness - I was thinking - we aught to track faults with 900s as it is a fairly new model. My alternator failed at 48,000 miles, that could be helpfull to other 900 owners. Are 900 alternators subject to failure. What other major component failures have other 900 owners experienced? Is this a candidate for a sub-topic under the knowledge base?

Begining to worry - RTT only 4 weeks away.

Edited by MarkyMark, 12 June 2007 - 08:14 pm.

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XT660Z - Fun and commute.
TDM900 - Yellow.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 05:46 pm

QUOTE(MarkyMark @ Tue 12th Jun 2007, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the interest Guiness

Bike still with George White in swindon. They have diagnosed it as the alternator failure (3 weeks ago) but seem to be having trouble obtaining a replacement from Yamaha.

Sufferring serious bike withdrawal.

Guiness - I was thinking - we aught to track faults with 900s as it is a fairly new model. My alternator failed at 48,000 miles, that could be helpfull to other 900 owners. Are 900 alternators subject to failure. What other major component failures have other 900 owners experienced? Is this a candidate for a sub-topic under the knowledge base?

Begining to worry - RTT only 4 weeks away.



Over on ThumperTalk, I read a thread where a DRZ had suffered an alternator failure
the Board's acknowledged expert, and general all round expert, reckoned not changing the oil at recommended service interval can cause the alternator to fail to due the oil becoming thin and not being able to disapate the heat away (or something like that)

I'm a bit sceptical about it, but I thought I'd throw it in just as an idea

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:09 am

will they give you a courtesy bike while yours is being repaired?

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My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested.  Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
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Posted 22 June 2007 - 09:54 am

OK - bike back - good as new. - Couple of commutes Swindon<>Winchester and (touch wood) no problems.

Not that I sit in front of my computer touching wood you understand happy.gif

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 10:11 pm

Mark did it cost ya an arm and a leg or was it ok on the bill front ?

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 10:28 am

Cost £350

Thats £250 parts
£45 labour and £55 VAT

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 10:59 am

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Cost £350

Thats £250 parts
£45 labour and £55 VAT



ouch ! but at least it's now fixed and your happy. can you weatherproof that connector that got waterlogged that was the possible cause of your woes ?

spyball alarm/immob, bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 11:31 am

QUOTE(MarkyMark @ Sat 23rd Jun 2007, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cost £350

Thats £250 parts
£45 labour and £55 VAT



shit - thats expensive

didn't they offer you the chance to have it rewound instead of a new one

I have had many done at much less than the price of a new replacement

#20 MarkyMark

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 10:43 am

I am not knowledgeable enough in these things to suggest options to them. But the way the world is it appears it is cheeper to replace than repair these days - simply based on the labour involved.

I spent a few weeks trying to sort it out myself - convinced it was the regulator. So I also laid out £45 quid on a second hand flea-bay rec/reg - in case anyone interested. I assume it is good, cos all the readings from the multi-meter are the same as the one on the bike.

I shall have to stay out of the pub for a couple of Friday nights to get the budget back on track.

Also noticed chain sagging a bit. First chain and sprocket set at 30K, so hope it lasts till 60K. But once it started last time, it went fast. Hope it lasts for another 3/4 K for the RTT.

Can anybody improve my translation??????????????,

"Ver Ish ein Yamaha motorkranken menderkind; Mine chain und sprocket been kaput - Shnell"

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