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#1 v8guy

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 06:04 pm

I've currently got the OEM suspension on my 900, and having tweaked it to cope with my, er.. more spirited riding moments, I find it lacking in other usage. Notably, I find it too harsh over bumps at lower speed. sad.gif

Where do I start? Anyone got a suspension 101 to hand?

thanks in advance,
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 08:01 pm

What way have you tweaked it? Is it an 06 model (black engine in the pics on your website)?

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 11:54 pm

QUOTE(SteveGlover @ Sun 19th Mar 2006, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What way have you tweaked it? Is it an 06 model (black engine in the pics on your website)?


It's an 03 model.

After fiddling with the adjusters a little , I ended up with the following settings:

Up front I have preload at 7/8 (std 7), damping 4/4 (std 2) and at the rear I have rebound at 7/20 (std 7), compression 11/12 (std 11) and preload at 6/9 (std 5).

I weigh about 11 stone, and have found this setup to be very stable at speed on reasonably smooth roads, but a little harsh on London's bumpy back streets.

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 02:15 am

The only real answer is to junk the standard stuff and fit something decent to the back and fit cartridge type internals up front.........loads of info about it - try a search either here or the old forum Vee

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 09:40 pm

QUOTE(v8guy @ Sun 19th Mar 2006, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Up front I have preload at 7/8 (std 7), damping 4/4 (std 2) and at the rear I have rebound at 7/20 (std 7), compression 11/12 (std 11) and preload at 6/9 (std 5).


Your settings look to be on the soft side, so you should have a reasonable ride. (I think, I could be wrong) the front damping only adjusts the rebound damping, so it shouldn't affect the slow speed ride much. A lot depends on what you expect, what your used to, etc. The magazine reviews lead you to think that the TDM has soft suspension, but its only relative to the sports bike that they prefer to ride.

If you bought the bike secondhand, then don't rule out the possibility that the fork oil has been changed for something a bit thicker than normal. That does severely affect the slow speed ride over bumps, more so than changing the damping. Found that out on my secondhand 03 TDM. One folk had red oil (like power steering oil or ATX oil) and the other had "normal" fork oil. So someone had been in there before me! Replaced both with synthetic SAE10 fork oil and the slow speed ride was miles better. Maybe not like a KTM but far better than most bikes. Isn't that why we ride TDMs, so we can ride over real roads without having our teeth shaken out?

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 11:31 am

QUOTE(SteveGlover @ Mon 20th Mar 2006, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your settings look to be on the soft side, so you should have a reasonable ride. (I think, I could be wrong) the front damping only adjusts the rebound damping, so it shouldn't affect the slow speed ride much. A lot depends on what you expect, what your used to, etc. The magazine reviews lead you to think that the TDM has soft suspension, but its only relative to the sports bike that they prefer to ride.

If you bought the bike secondhand, then don't rule out the possibility that the fork oil has been changed for something a bit thicker than normal. That does severely affect the slow speed ride over bumps, more so than changing the damping. Found that out on my secondhand 03 TDM. One folk had red oil (like power steering oil or ATX oil) and the other had "normal" fork oil. So someone had been in there before me! Replaced both with synthetic SAE10 fork oil and the slow speed ride was miles better. Maybe not like a KTM but far better than most bikes. Isn't that why we ride TDMs, so we can ride over real roads without having our teeth shaken out?


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Posted 21 March 2006 - 12:14 pm

QUOTE(SteveGlover @ Mon 20th Mar 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your settings look to be on the soft side, so you should have a reasonable ride.

Hmm, you think so? Setup as described, it's much more taut than standard.


QUOTE(SteveGlover @ Mon 20th Mar 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A lot depends on what you expect, what your used to, etc. The magazine reviews lead you to think that the TDM has soft suspension, but its only relative to the sports bike that they prefer to ride.


The TDM does have soft suspension, IMHO. I've come from a 95 VFR750, and find the TDM factory settings are way soft for the way I ride. The bike was entirely unmanagable on fast, twisty roads; bouncing all over the place.



QUOTE(SteveGlover @ Mon 20th Mar 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you bought the bike secondhand, then don't rule out the possibility that the fork oil has been changed for something a bit thicker than normal. That does severely affect the slow speed ride over bumps, more so than changing the damping.


This is a good point; I did buy it second hand.


QUOTE(SteveGlover @ Mon 20th Mar 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Found that out on my secondhand 03 TDM. One folk had red oil (like power steering oil or ATX oil) and the other had "normal" fork oil. So someone had been in there before me! Replaced both with synthetic SAE10 fork oil and the slow speed ride was miles better.


I'd like to check this, but I'm not at all confident about taking the front end of the bike apart. Lack of facilities is my main problem, and also lack of experience in such matters.

Really what I want is to try and get the best from the available adjustments, and should that not satisfy hand it over to a competent mechanic to upgrade components where it is reasonable to do so.




QUOTE(dandywarhol @ Mon 20th Mar 2006, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only real answer is to junk the standard stuff and fit something decent to the back and fit cartridge type internals up front.........loads of info about it - try a search either here or the old forum Vee


I found this post regarding the front end, from yourself Alan:

http://www.carpe-tdm...opic.php?t=2546

and, reading this...

http://www.geocities...etech_page.html

... I realise that I'm not gonna attempt to do this myself.


Can anyone recommend a suspension specialist in the south east?

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 08:10 pm

QUOTE(v8guy @ Tue 21st Mar 2006, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, you think so? Setup as described, it's much more taut than standard.
The TDM does have soft suspension, IMHO. I've come from a 95 VFR750, and find the TDM factory settings are way soft for the way I ride. The bike was entirely unmanagable on fast, twisty roads; bouncing all over the place.
This is a good point; I did buy it second hand.
I'd like to check this, but I'm not at all confident about taking the front end of the bike apart. Lack of facilities is my main problem, and also lack of experience in such matters.

Really what I want is to try and get the best from the available adjustments, and should that not satisfy hand it over to a competent mechanic to upgrade components where it is reasonable to do so.
I found this post regarding the front end, from yourself Alan:

http://www.carpe-tdm...opic.php?t=2546

and, reading this...

http://www.geocities...etech_page.html

... I realise that I'm not gonna attempt to do this myself.
Can anyone recommend a suspension specialist in the south east?


Just read that lot Vee......................
So..................with a TRX engine/gearbox, decent suspension on the front and the excellent fournales rear air spring..............there's no need to go for a 900............

bit embarrassing now that I have one - but I've done the same to it biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 08:14 pm

QUOTE(dandywarhol @ Tue 21st Mar 2006, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just read that lot Vee......................
So..................with a TRX engine/gearbox, decent suspension on the front and the excellent fournales rear air spring..............there's no need to go for a 900............

bit embarrassing now that I have one - but I've done the same to it biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


I'm seriously considering the TRX enjun Idea, is it really worth it alan? I have a nexxus stainless exhaust, will I need to replace that if I go for the TRX enjun? unsure.gif

Anyone selling a good condition Trx enjun? wink.gif

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 08:16 pm

QUOTE(Emmett @ Tue 21st Mar 2006, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm seriously considering the TRX enjun Idea, is it really worth it alan? I have a nexxus stainless exhaust, will I need to replace that if I go for the TRX enjun? unsure.gif

Anyone selling a good condition Trx enjun? wink.gif



nah yer zorst will fit, dunno what all the fuss is re; a TRX enjun as i thought the only difference was the gearbox ratios ??

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 01:53 am

QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Tue 21st Mar 2006, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
nah yer zorst will fit, dunno what all the fuss is re; a TRX enjun as i thought the only difference was the gearbox ratios ??


..................and what a nice difference they make - eh PK?

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 02:19 am

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..................and what a nice difference they make - eh PK?


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Posted 23 March 2006 - 02:19 am

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True nuff.



so you are saying it's worth all that hassle to swap enjuns over just to experience some different cog ratios rotflmmfao.gif rotflmmfao.gif GAL ffs tongue.gif

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 02:48 am

QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Thu 23rd Mar 2006, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so you are saying it's worth all that hassle to swap enjuns over just to experience some different cog ratios rotflmmfao.gif rotflmmfao.gif GAL ffs tongue.gif


Nope, I'm saying it makes a nice and noticeable difference.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 02:50 am

wasn't typing to you !!!!!!

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 03:03 am

QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Thu 23rd Mar 2006, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wasn't typing to you !!!!!!


Have you got mix-a-ma-quotesis?
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 03:09 am

no but i'd rather pick n' mix please.


then again, Emmett you still have both bikes ?? i assume your thinking of putting a TRX injun into the hi-miler, be sweet if ya cud do them mods and fit the 900 barrells and pistons while yer at it. havie to admit i have never tried a TRX but then again im happy with my TDM's box..........until i try a TRX that is wink.gif rotflmmfao.gif rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

Edited by wicklamulla, 23 March 2006 - 05:44 pm.

spyball alarm/immob, bluespot brake calipers and Stainless hoses, Fournales air adjustable shock with Remote Resevoir, forks raised 10mm thru yokes, racetech linear fork springs in 15 wt oil, Kappa wingrack/luggage, heated grips, Kedo handguards, dual heat controller to power heated jacket liner and or pants!!, Stebel 136DB horn, K&N air filter, colour matched Baglux tank cover (magnetic tank bag modified to fit cover), osram +50% headloight bulbs, headlight protector,"NitramSpecial" parking loight, tail light indicators all running on LED's & incorporate "Lite Buddies", MK7 Scottoiler fitted, taller screen, 2-2 stainless steel CCC's, Devil stainless down pipes. MKI Renntec engine crash bars & sump guard.
engine changed july 2007 on a dyno run it made 79.1BHP / Torque 59.9Had a brief flirtation with a 1999 MKIIa but it blew an exaust valve on the M5 so was sold on to be repaired.

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 03:19 pm

QUOTE(v8guy @ Sun 19th Mar 2006, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've currently got the OEM suspension on my 900, and having tweaked it to cope with my, er.. more spirited riding moments, I find it lacking in other usage. Notably, I find it too harsh over bumps at lower speed. sad.gif

Where do I start? Anyone got a suspension 101 to hand?

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 07:22 pm

The suspension on the 900 -especially in its original setting- is very soft imho. I set my front and aft suspension a lot harder for more feedback and more precise steering.
It's slightly less comfortable, but at least the bike doesn't "dance" anymore after hitting a speed bump or those awfull belgian concrete plate roads with seems every 3 meters...

Only problem I have now is that the bike has a tendency to understeer, especially in a succesion of short sharp turns.

Anyone got suggestions on how to fix this? Perhaps setting rebound damping a bit lighter will help??
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 08:35 pm

QUOTE(duibhce Kaelann @ Tue 30th May 2006, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The suspension on the 900 -especially in its original setting- is very soft imho. I set my front and aft suspension a lot harder for more feedback and more precise steering.
It's slightly less comfortable, but at least the bike doesn't "dance" anymore after hitting a speed bump or those awfull belgian concrete plate roads with seems every 3 meters...

Only problem I have now is that the bike has a tendency to understeer, especially in a succesion of short sharp turns.

Anyone got suggestions on how to fix this? Perhaps setting rebound damping a bit lighter will help??

You could try raising the forks 10mm through the yolks DK good.gif

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