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Started by Latestarter , Dec 13 2015 08:43 pm

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#21 Robodene

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 08:22 pm

Me too. Can't be working all that out- even if I could remember it.
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Posted 15 December 2015 - 08:31 pm

Too many numbers for my brain, I prefer a big red 1...2...3...4...5...6...


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I was just going to say 'thank you', and add that I would print the post and stick it to the dash. :)

Seriously, I've managed fine too, without one. But that's not to say I wouldn't use it if I had one, if only to double check.

Is there a best one for the 9Er?

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 09:02 pm

Hmmm..£100....I have a rev counter and can count past 5. Does not stop me trying to find 7th...... :huh:


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 08:14 am

Hmmm..£100....I have a rev counter and can count past 5. Does not stop me trying to find 7th...... :huh:

 

Hehehe....remember my first bike, a CB400 Four - never heard of a 6-speed transmission . . . I believe it took 2 weeks before I realised the thing had 6 of them, something started troubling me with the counting...(hmm-one more, I thought I had already put it in 5th...)  :pimp:


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 10:52 pm

My 1975 Suzuki GT380 had a 6 speed gear LCD indicator which would indicate gear 9 in the rain  :pimp:


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:36 am

My 1975 Suzuki GT380 had a 6 speed gear LCD indicator which would indicate gear 9 in the rain  :pimp:

 

Same with my "kettle"


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 03:55 pm

 

Same with my "kettle"

Ahh............my kettle was ok but only had 5 gears from memory. looking back it was a wobbly ol' bassad but an incredible sound


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 04:32 pm

My first one back into biking was to rebuild a kettle. A brilliant bike but far too shiny for me.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 04:58 pm

There is a nice kettle on display at Squire café in Sherburn. 


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 06:01 am

Went for the gi-pro (x). Had it fitted when the MOT was done this weekend. Was given choice of colours so opted for blue.

It's very neat, very small, and also very clear. But only shows the gear when at around 15 mph at least. The shop explained it's because it has to be connected to the front sprocket (whatever that is :)).

Does this sound right? (It's not going to help anyone find neutral if it doesn't work when stopped or nearly stopped.)

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 07:39 am

This is the way it works, by computing a ratio between rpm and speed.

No speed, no ratio !

 

That's why I prefer my own gear indicator because it takes the gear info from the gearbox it selt, no matter the speed.


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 08:41 am

aha.... Understood. And at least it's doing what it's meant to (and the the shop wasn't being naughty).  Thanks 

 

:)

 

The shop quite liked the way this one plugged in - no need to mess around with lots of wires like the ones they usually fit, apparently. Your analogue option may be better though.


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 12:17 pm

Just checked mine - it shows the correct gear as soon as I release the clutch lever - no delay.
From neutral to 1st also very quickly and definitly much sooner than before reaching 15 mph! (around 5 mph)

But mine is taking reading from front sprocket..

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 01:12 pm

If I remember correctly, mine shows a  line when the bike comes to a stop. Then shows gears from about 10mph. To be fair at that speed you're either coming to a stop or just setting off, so you'll be in first or neutral anyway. It's mainly at country road speeds ;) that it comes into use. Is I in 5th or 6th!!!


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 10:02 am

Don't confuse between the gear display thing and the gear sensor.

 

No commercial gear indicator have a true gear sensor, they all use the rpm & speed sensors to compute the gear info as they can.

They have nice shiny display but the info displayed is sometime not exact at the right time.

 

Having a computed gear info on a TDM is somehow strange when you may very easily have a true gear info, with a true gear sensor - all 4TX have a gear sensor, you may put the same part on all 900 or mod the oem neutral gear sensor to have a full gear sensor.


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 12:12 pm

(thank you. I was about to ask how it works for some.)

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 07:54 pm

4 thousand revs, 70mph, 6th gear, oh happy day, oh happy dayayayay


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Posted 15 June 2023 - 01:42 pm

dear JBX  :good:

 

your gear indicator is one of the best tool  of its class - i never have seen such awesome tool for calculating the geraring options. 

 

https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=RAT

 

 

:)

 

Don't confuse between the gear display thing and the gear sensor.

 

No commercial gear indicator have a true gear sensor, they all use the rpm & speed sensors to compute the gear info as they can.

They have nice shiny display but the info displayed is sometime not exact at the right time.

 

Having a computed gear info on a TDM is somehow strange when you may very easily have a true gear info, with a true gear sensor - all 4TX have a gear sensor, you may put the same part on all 900 or mod the oem neutral gear sensor to have a full gear sensor.

 

keep up the outstainding  work 


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Posted 19 June 2023 - 08:39 am

Dont have time to look down.....54m/sec.......... :P


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Posted 28 July 2023 - 02:57 pm

As a 'cheap 'n' cheerful' sixth gear indicator:
 
Around the area of the gearbox sprocket, I fitted an additional contact (a bolt with slotted screw head, black arrow in picture), carefully aligned to gear position six on the gear shift drum, this is fitted (a new thread is drilled and tapped) into the existing plastic neutral switch housing, next to the neutral light contact itself (red arrow in picture) - your are replicating the existing contact.  A fairly simple job if you have a drill and a set of taps (preferably metric).
 
Aligning the position of this drilling and tapping for the new bolt/screw is easy, because of the 'witness' marks already in the plastic. These from the spung loaded ball bearing on the selector drum.
 
When the modded plastic is reinstalled, this new contact is connected to the neutral light wire with a very short copper strip or wire.(1cm long?)
 
So now, when you put the bike into sixth gear, the neutral light comes on and stays on.
 
However,
 
The neutral light is quite bright when riding on dark roads, it can be distracting!
 
A relay is operated near the fuse box when in the bike is in neutral, this is now on when in sixth, which could be quite a long time... this is an FYI rather than a problem.
 
The engine could be started in sixth gear with the stand down, as if it were in neutral, exactly as you would expect with this mod.  But I can live with this!
 
It's not for everyone (anyone??), but it is cheap and simple!!! 
 
I have used this arrangement since 2008 with no problems apart from the neutral light being a bit distracting in the dark, as mentioned above.
 
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Edited by Boosh, 29 July 2023 - 09:23 pm.

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