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[dapleb]

a fantastic single track stretch over a big hill that I can't for the life of me remember the name of but Tony or Dave might.

Winnats Pass?

[dapleb]

Hope they are of some use.

Ta Jankers....this post only just showed up on my PC for some reason. Will add em to the list.

[ChrisG]

I scoured these from all over the 'net, not been to any yet and they include some already mentioned.

Er...anyone fancy a trip to Scotland...?

Winnats Pass?

dunno, I'll have a rummage though my PC and have a look at my maps from that trip.

If you're going via the lakes and haven't done them before then agree with Mark that Hartknott and Wrynose are an impressive experience. On the way back from the G2G they were all saying we should stop and drop our luggage off before going over there, I didn't really believe them until I got there and was glad we had. I didn't believe them that in some places the road was nearly 45 degrees either...

Edited by ChrisG, 24 April 2008 - 08:49 am.

[dapleb]

If you're going via the lakes and haven't done them before then agree with Mark that Hartknott and Wrynose are an impressive experience.

Dun'em but its more about getting these feckers ooot of their comfort zone, not that I would mind doin it again either. Strugglin to fit in all amarkos suggestions at the moment.

[dapleb]

If we get that far and survive the Tongue experience......any suggestions on routes back down? Think I came back A836 last time but B871 looks good too.

[TonyDevil]

chris, do you mean Hardknott pass? the one with the fort at the top?
a few years ago i went thru a set of tyres in a day doing that pass in my (recently departed ) car
lost count the number of times i went up and down it

if i was riding thru the lake district, Hardknott/Wrynose & Hartside would be my defo detours

[dapleb]

Added the start of route plans into first post. Please lettuce snow if ya think there are any glaring errors or have answers to any of the quessies.

[TDMTAM]

If we get that far and survive the Tongue experience......any suggestions on routes back down? Think I came back A836 last time but B871 looks good too.

One of my fav roads if I am up in the glencoe area is the A828 the is a nice cafe just passed Creggan
TAM

[ChrisG]

chris, do you mean Hardknott pass? the one with the fort at the top?

No, on the way back on the monday we followed a river for a while, and there was narrowish stretch over a hill and comming down the other side we were following a van and a car.

[TonyDevil]

No, on the way back on the monday we followed a river for a while, and there was narrowish stretch over a hill and comming down the other side we were following a van and a car.

snake pass?

[ChrisG]

snake pass?

Nah, that was the loonytoon in the Transit trying to get past the Audi. Bit I'm thinking of was too narrow for us to overtake.

My memory's rubbish.


Edit: Looking at googlemaps it may well have been the stretch south east of Lancaster heading through Marshaw to Dunsop Bridge. I definatly remember Dave saying Dunsop Bridge was one place we needed to go though.

Edited by ChrisG, 24 April 2008 - 12:48 pm.

[cyco900]

Dapleb; a good B&B/hostel is Corran House in Oban (they have a web site i think) its close to town but has a bar in the basement (used a lot by locals) and the car park (public) has always been safe when we have used it. Oh! its reasonable priced too
Applecross (pass of the cattle) is a must. If you do the road across the top (northerly route) on a sunday the garages are shut and theres only a few anyway.
Also if you get to Tongue head south again from there as it gets boring further on and JoG is the pits anyway.
you'll have fun up there anyway its a crackin place.

Edited by cyco900, 24 April 2008 - 01:05 pm.

[Hartside Man]

well dappers if your gonna dodge the lakes, at least take a peek at this proposal

takes you from a59 thru sliadburn (trough of bowland) thru settle to ribblehead then up to hawes (good cafe the pennygarth on left as you enter village) then across and up to nateby , middleton , alston, HARTSIDE , penrith carlisle and takes you onto the B7076 the one ben mentioned (allthough i would have gone from penrith thru to longtown canonbie selkirk st marys loch, moffat , leadhills and ended up at abingdon where you can pick up your route on the B7076)

anyway heres the bit from a59 to B7076 gretna area

Time Mile Instruction For Toward
Summary: 153.5 miles (3 hours, 2 minutes)
09:00 0.0 Depart A59, Barrow, Clitheroe BB7 9 on A59 (South) 1.7 mi
09:01 1.7 At roundabout, take the FIRST exit onto A671 0.2 mi
09:01 1.9 Keep STRAIGHT onto A671 [Whalley Road] 1.4 mi
09:04 3.3 Bear RIGHT (East) onto A671 [Queensway] 0.1 mi
09:04 3.4 Keep STRAIGHT onto A671 [Peel Street] 120 yds
09:05 3.5 Bear LEFT (North) onto A671 [Waterloo Road] 0.4 mi
09:06 3.9 At roundabout, take the FIRST exit onto B6478 [Well Terrace] 164 yds
09:06 4.0 At roundabout, take the FIRST exit onto B6478 [Waddington Road] 1.4 mi
09:08 5.4 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6478 [Clitheroe Road] 0.2 mi
09:09 5.6 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6478 [Belle Vue Lane] 87 yds
09:09 5.7 Bear LEFT (West) onto B6478 [Fell Road] 4.5 mi
09:14 10.2 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6478 32 yds
09:14 10.2 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6478 [Hallgate Hill] 0.5 mi
09:14 10.7 Bear LEFT (West) onto B6478 1.7 mi
09:17 12.4 At Slaidburn, stay on B6478 [Chapel Street] (East) 1.0 mi
09:18 13.4 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6478 6.8 mi
09:25 20.2 Keep LEFT onto Jack Lane 0.4 mi
09:26 20.6 Road name changes to Local road(s) 0.3 mi
09:27 20.9 At near Wigglesworth, stay on Local road(s) (North-West) 0.2 mi
09:27 21.1 Road name changes to Hollow Gill Brow 0.4 mi
09:28 21.5 Road name changes to Local road(s) 0.5 mi
09:29 22.1 Bear RIGHT (North) onto Local road(s) 164 yds
09:29 22.2 Road name changes to Main Street 0.2 mi
09:30 22.3 Road name changes to Local road(s) 1.6 mi
09:32 24.0 Turn RIGHT (South-East) onto A65 0.6 mi
09:33 24.5 At roundabout, take the FIRST exit onto B6480 0.8 mi
09:34 25.3 Bear LEFT (North) onto B6480 [Ings Avenue] 164 yds
09:35 25.4 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6480 [Duke Street] 0.4 mi
09:36 25.8 Bear LEFT (North) onto B6480 [Church Street] 0.3 mi
09:37 26.2 Turn RIGHT (East) onto B6479 [Langcliffe Road] 0.3 mi
09:38 26.5 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6479 0.4 mi
09:38 26.9 Bear LEFT (North) onto B6479 [Stainforth Road] 1.3 mi
09:40 28.2 Bear LEFT (North-West) onto B6479 109 yds
09:40 28.3 At Stainforth, stay on B6479 (North-West) 8.4 mi
09:49 36.7 Bear LEFT (West) onto B6479 [Gauber Road] 0.8 mi
09:50 37.5 Turn RIGHT (North) onto B6255 [Blea Moor Road] 0.8 mi
09:51 38.3 At near Gearstones, stay on B6255 [Blea Moor Road] (East) 2.9 mi
09:54 41.1 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6255 6.5 mi
10:01 47.6 Keep STRAIGHT onto A684 [Turfy Hill] 0.1 mi
10:01 47.8 At Hawes, return West on A684 [Turfy Hill] 5.3 mi
10:07 53.1 Turn RIGHT (North) onto B6259 6.2 mi
10:14 59.3 Bear RIGHT (East) onto Local road(s) 164 yds
10:15 59.4 At Outhgill, return West on Local road(s) 76 yds
10:15 59.4 Bear RIGHT (West) onto Local road(s) 65 yds
10:15 59.4 Turn RIGHT (North) onto B6259 3.6 mi
10:19 63.0 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6259 [Nateby Road] 1.1 mi
10:20 64.1 Bear RIGHT (North) onto B6259 [Victoria Square] 65 yds
10:21 64.1 Turn RIGHT (North) onto A685 [Market Street] 4.3 mi
10:27 68.4 Keep STRAIGHT onto A685 21 yds
10:27 68.4 Road name changes to B6276 98 yds
10:27 68.5 Bear RIGHT (North) onto B6276 [New Road] 109 yds
10:28 68.5 Turn RIGHT (East) onto B6276 [Market Street] 21 yds
10:28 68.6 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6276 [Upper Street] 0.5 mi
10:29 69.1 Bear LEFT (North-East) onto B6276 3.4 mi
10:32 72.5 At B6276, stay on B6276 (East) 9.6 mi
10:42 82.1 Bear LEFT (West) onto B6277 0.6 mi
10:43 82.7 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6277 [Bridge Street] 153 yds
10:43 82.8 Turn LEFT (North-West) onto B6277 [Market Place] 153 yds
10:44 82.9 Keep STRAIGHT onto B6277 [Hude] 142 yds
10:44 83.0 Bear LEFT (West) onto B6277 [Rose Terrace] 142 yds
10:44 83.1 Bear RIGHT (West) onto B6277 [Alston Road] 0.1 mi
10:44 83.2 Bear LEFT (West) onto B6277 6.1 mi
10:51 89.3 At Forest-in-Teesdale, stay on B6277 (West) 15.1 mi
11:06 104.4 Bear LEFT (North-West) onto A689 [Front Street] 0.1 mi
11:07 104.5 At Alston, stay on A689 [Front Street] (West) 0.1 mi
11:07 104.6 Turn LEFT (South) onto A686 [Station Road] 14.7 mi
11:24 119.3 At Langwathby, stay on A686 [Eden Straits] (West) 2.7 mi
11:27 122.0 Turn RIGHT (North-West) onto Beacon Edge 2.0 mi
11:31 124.0 Bear LEFT (West) onto Salkeld Road 0.2 mi
11:32 124.2 Road name changes to Local road(s) 32 yds
11:32 124.2 Bear RIGHT (North-West) onto A6 1.1 mi
11:34 125.3 At A6, stay on A6 (North) 11.7 mi
11:46 137.0 At A6, stay on A6 (North-West) 1.2 mi
11:47 138.1 At roundabout, take the FOURTH exit onto Ramp 0.4 mi M6 / The North
11:48 138.5 Merge onto M6 6.3 mi
11:53 144.9 Road name changes to A74 5.5 mi
11:58 150.4 Road name changes to A74(M) 2.3 mi
12:00 152.7 Keep LEFT onto Ramp 0.4 mi
12:01 153.1 Bear LEFT (North) onto Local road(s) 0.1 mi
12:01 153.2 At roundabout, take the FIRST exit onto Local road(s) 109 yds
12:01 153.3 Turn LEFT (West) onto B7076 0.3 mi
12:02 153.5 Arrive B7076, Kirkpatrick Fleming, Lockerbie DG11 3

SUMMARY
Driving distance: 153.5 miles
Trip duration: 3 hours, 2 minutes
Driving time: 3 hours, 2 minutes
Cost: £22.72

[dapleb]

well dappers if your gonna dodge the lakes, at least take a peek at this proposal

No hope to do some lakes on the way back doon.....or maybe on the way oop and Dales on way down.

Great thanks ferry much for that route....am puttin it in now. Could take a week just to get to Scotland, or just spend a week in the bloomin Lakes and Dales...my poor brain.

[Hartside Man]

A830 to Malaig - ferry - Skye (though A861 look good? Never done that one.)...or A87 Invergarry to Kyle of Lochalsh...arghhhhh.Blat round Skye.....any suggestions for routes?A87 (over bridge)....can bikes still get through free Nooky?

can't remember for deffo but i am sure 1 way over the bridge at skye is free the other way you pay. Dunno which direction is which will ask the lads a work tomoz for ya

No hope to do some lakes on the way back doon.....or maybe on the way oop and Dales on way down.Great thanks ferry much for that route....am puttin it in now. Could take a week just to get to Scotland, or just spend a week in the bloomin Lakes and Dales...my poor brain.

what software do you have for planning your route ? can probs make it easier by converting it to some format or other

[dapleb]

can't remember for deffo but i am sure 1 way over the bridge at skye is free the other way you pay.

Last time Nanook rode off down to the bridge toll booths......2 mins later we are all goin through for noubt....think this prolly ain't normally the case for boike.

what software do you have for planning your route ? can probs make it easier by converting it to some format or other

Me noggin and catsbums map pocket.

[Hartside Man]

here ya go SCOTLAND is TOLL FREE as of feb this year

http://www.skat.org.uk/

[dandywarhol]

If we get that far and survive the Tongue experience......any suggestions on routes back down? Think I came back A836 last time but B871 looks good too.

The B871 is good too and there's a good chance of seeing a few Brochs on route
http://www.visitours...tish/broch.html

Once past Inverness on the A9 you could cut across East to where we'd one of our Scottish G2Gs and go down the magnificent A839 Tomintoul to Cockbridge road to Ballater and head south on the 93 to Braemar and Glen Shee, more "Big Country" moments there too ..................

[dapleb]

a good chance of seeing a few Brochs on route

Sounds loike a purfect compromise atween BnB n camping.

Once past Inverness on the A9 you could cut across East to where we'd one of our Scottish G2Gs and go down the magnificent A839 Tomintoul to Cockbridge road to Ballater and head south on the 93 to Braemar and Glen Shee, more "Big Country" moments there too ..................

Raa that looks loke a good route....ain't done that afore neither..unless I was there with you lot?

[assyntgirl]

Sounds loike a purfect compromise atween BnB n camping.
Raa that looks loke a good route....ain't done that afore neither..unless I was there with you lot?

I wouldn't disagree with any of the suggested Scottish routes, but feel I should add my 'own' road, the B869, Lochinver - Newton via Drumbeg. It's madder than the wee mad road south of Lochinver, with a couple of 1-in-4s, one with a great hairpin, plus stunning views of mountains and coast. Refreshment stop (and loos) at Drumbeg. just watch out for sheep (daytime) and deer (nighttime) and idiot tourists in campervans. Altogether its 25 miles of single track road that will have you grinning widely.
Enjoy!