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#1 Ronnie

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 02:52 pm

Hi Chaps & Chap’esses – This is my first post so please be real gentle with me. I also know that this topic has been around and debated for some time with no real solution being found. I love my 2003 900, its simply awesome – she is my first grown up bike after growing old and tired of balls out sportsbikes. Anyway yep it’s the clutch which sounds like Peter Mandleson having been peeled and chucked in a barrel of salt – you know the sound! Anyway I get it when I pull away anything other than really gently, damn near shit myself the first time I heard it! It does improve a bit when the bike warms up. Anyway I have replaced the clutch plates and changed the oil (JASO MA Shell Advance AX7) several times still no avail. I tried my local Yam dealer who called Yam Tech helpdesk, and they denied all knowledge of the problem (Liars) – so im kinda stuck what to do next. I know this is a really common problem, but there really ought to be a solution, so any up to date comments would be really appreciated. – Thanks Ronnie

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:10 pm

Hello Ronnie, the 9'er clutch seems to be a sensitive soul. If all clutch bits are within spec and operating correctly then there is a clutch basket mod that a few peeps have done.

LIAW did the one I remember but that was many years ago and on a previous incarnation of the forum. Hopefully wan of the 9'er bhoyos will be along to tell you there is a more up to date/findable thread on a modification or you might find summat with the search facility (top right). You spoilt my JASO MA singing there too but still, welcome to Carpe.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:18 pm

I've had this problem with various oils. I had to stop using Hein Gericke semi-synth for this reason. Bike is running well on Happy Shopper 10-40 semi synth at the moment. Seems to be no rhyme or reason.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 04:15 pm

Never had a chirp from my 9 clutch in 7 years. From memory the 9 clutch basket has the mods done on them at the Factory


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Posted 17 June 2012 - 04:43 pm

Hi there and welcome Ronnie

My first 9er screeched badly and, like yours, was not so bad after the engine had warmed up. I also tried several different oils all to no avail. My 2nd 9er, which is the same year as my first, doesn't do it at all (thankfully).

Unfortunately there does not seem to be any hard and fast solution to this and, again like you, I could not get any positive response from a couple of different Yamaha mechanics.

However, my first bike only had 4.5K miles on the clock when I bought it and I sold it with 38K. During that period I had no problems with the clutch apart from the horrible noise.

Who knows, one day the mystery may be solved unsure.gif
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:55 pm

QUOTE(Ronnie @ Sun 17th Jun 2012, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Chaps & Chap’esses – This is my first post so please be real gentle with me. I also know that this topic has been around and debated for some time with no real solution being found. I love my 2003 900, its simply awesome – she is my first grown up bike after growing old and tired of balls out sportsbikes. Anyway yep it’s the clutch which sounds like Peter Mandleson having been peeled and chucked in a barrel of salt – you know the sound! Anyway I get it when I pull away anything other than really gently, damn near shit myself the first time I heard it! It does improve a bit when the bike warms up. Anyway I have replaced the clutch plates and changed the oil (JASO MA Shell Advance AX7) several times still no avail. I tried my local Yam dealer who called Yam Tech helpdesk, and they denied all knowledge of the problem (Liars) – so im kinda stuck what to do next. I know this is a really common problem, but there really ought to be a solution, so any up to date comments would be really appreciated. – Thanks Ronnie



Hi Ronnie and welcome to the madhouse. My 900 is a 2003/53 with 35000 miles on the clock. My clutch squeals when cold , but stops when the oil has circulated.
it has been doing this for a couple of years with no apparent ill effects. So I shouldn't worry too much.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 08:48 pm

mkii, 9er & mki. All of mine have done this, usually when being aggressive with the bike

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:17 am

QUOTE(MaximusPetrolhead @ Sun 17th Jun 2012, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mkii, 9er & mki. All of mine have done this, usually when being aggressive with the bike

My '05 9er does it, but my '96 TRX doesn't and its clutch basket hasn't been modified.
The only difference, is that the TRX has Motul 5100 in it, and the TDM has the oil (unknown brand) put in by the last shop service.
I'm doing oil (Motul 5100), filter, camchain tensioner (upgrade version), chain (GXW525) and sprockets (JT) wednesday, so i will be able to see if the oil change changes things wink.gif
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:16 am

QUOTE(fung @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My '05 9er does it, but my '96 TRX doesn't and its clutch basket hasn't been modified.
The only difference, is that the TRX has Motul 5100 in it, and the TDM has the oil (unknown brand) put in by the last shop service.
I'm doing oil (Motul 5100), filter, camchain tensioner (upgrade version), chain (GXW525) and sprockets (JT) wednesday, so i will be able to see if the oil change changes things wink.gif
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:02 am

QUOTE(fung @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My '05 9er does it, but my '96 TRX doesn't and its clutch basket hasn't been modified.
The only difference, is that the TRX has Motul 5100 in it, and the TDM has the oil (unknown brand) put in by the last shop service.
I'm doing oil (Motul 5100), filter, camchain tensioner (upgrade version), chain (GXW525) and sprockets (JT) wednesday, so i will be able to see if the oil change changes things wink.gif
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I would love to hear the outcome of your service rolleyes.gif

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 12:40 pm

Mine used to do this too (2002 model), but I changed the clutch Basket for a later one when one of the fingers shattered. That was about 20k miles ago and it hasn't done it since.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:05 pm

QUOTE(Chris B @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mine used to do this too (2002 model), but I changed the clutch Basket for a later one when one of the fingers shattered. That was about 20k miles ago and it hasn't done it since.


If you dont mind me asking how much was the new clutch basket?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 01:47 pm

Since none of the bhoyos have come up with the mod: ear is LIAW's thread:

http://www.carpe-tdm...i...tch&start=0
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 02:09 pm

QUOTE(dapleb @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since none of the bhoyos have come up with the mod: ear is LIAW's thread:

http://www.carpe-tdm...i...tch&start=0


Thanks But OMG that looks really severe - especially that it is on the old forum and none of the piccys are there anymore....

I suspect that is out of my limited capability :-(



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Posted 18 June 2012 - 03:40 pm

Mine does it too, quite alarming when it happens,
but it doesn't seem to be detrimental.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:38 pm

QUOTE(Ronnie @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks But OMG that looks really severe - especially that it is on the old forum and none of the piccys are there anymore....

I suspect that is out of my limited capability :-(


You're right to be cautious. LIAW did like to go severe with his modifications.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:00 pm

had that for ages, changed oil brand and never again (was with lidl's cheapoil and now with semi-s)
something else and unrelated, halfords has filters for tdm for cheaper than any bike shop (x302 I think it's called)

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:53 am

QUOTE(Quilmore @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
had that for ages, changed oil brand and never again (was with lidl's cheapoil and now with semi-s)
something else and unrelated, halfords has filters for tdm for cheaper than any bike shop (x302 I think it's called)


I curse myself... it happened today again
don't know how to get rid of it, new oil certainly makes is less likely, but I'm out of ideas

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:26 am

Email sent to Yam Customer services yesterday - Im not holding out too much hope - I sispect it will be simply ignored and put in the too hard to fix bin! - Might be a good idea if as meany of us as possible email them about this, then at least they can no longer deny its a problem. Please send a mail to marketing@yamaha-motor.co.uk mark it customer services and note on here when you sent it - see if we can get a campaign going!

Dear Customer Services,

I am a very happy owner of a 2003 TDM 900with approx. 23,000 miles ridden. I have a persistent issue, which from searching the internet and TDM forums (Carpe TDM for example) is a problem which is widespread and is currently being denied by Yamaha leaving customers no resolution to the problem.

The problem to which I refer is the screaming noise which emits from the clutch when moving off at anything other than a gentle pace. I have been on more than one occasion to my local dealer (Webbs Peterborough – Steve dealing) who contacted Yamaha Technical who refused to accept there was an issue, and in fact on the second occasion said they had never heard of this before, after we had already consulted, so clearly this was not true. I have replaces the clutch friction plates and replaced the oil several times with no resolution to the problem.

I am contacting you directly as my dealer is saying without guidance from Yamaha Technical they don’t know how to rectify this issue, which I repeat is clearly widespread with evidence being easily found from the internet and owner forums.

Please would you explain to me why Yamaha deny this problem clearly exists, why Yamaha deny that they know about this problem, when the patently do, as my dealer has contacted them about this, and finally what Yamaha are offering as a solution to what is clearly an inherent manufacturing defect evidenced by the wide reporting of this issue.

I look forward to your reply

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:57 am

QUOTE(Ronnie @ Mon 18th Jun 2012, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would love to hear the outcome of your service rolleyes.gif


new Motul 5100 10w-50w with an oem filter. . . still howls blink.gif

p.s. when you remove the tensioner (after rolling the motor to the 'T' mark three times just to be sure, and finding it had already been fitted with the revised item dry.gif ) make absolutely positive that it has fully released ALL its tension . . . . . don't turn your back on it !!
I did, and so did my mechanic . . . . we both heard that dreaded 'click' and assumed the bloody camchain had jumped a tooth !!! ranting.gif
off with the seat, side fairings, tank, radiator, thermostat assembly, rocker cover . . . . . . . and wouldn't you know it, it hadn't bloody well moved had it ! ! ! ! ! ! ranting.gif ranting.gif
oh well, at least the chain was only 1/3 worn so the oil pump cover didn't need to be removed . . . whew yahoo.gif
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