36 replies to this topic

[sayhello]

hi there - good day dear friends, 

 

i am a owner of a TDM 900 for four months now. - as this bike is pretty new to me - i have some questions:

 

 

one question regarding the oil-pressure: 

 

is it true that the TDM only has got a a oil-level-light - and no OIL-Pressure-Light?

 

 

 

note: see this thread- with the following statement: 

 

 

 This bike havent oil pressure light Oil LEVEL only

 

 

 

 

see the following thread on reddit:  https://www.reddit.c...yamaha_tdm_900/

 

 

citation: 

Hello, i have question because i own yamaha tdm 900 and oil level warning Non stop is active. Bayonet show oil level is max. Any ideas Why this warning is on? Please help me

 

 

Not my area of expertise as a forewarning. With that out of the way, I suspect it's one of two things but have no way to differentiate. One that is the most likely is the oil pressure sensor has failed and is now showing a constant false positive even though there is still pressure. The second is that the oil pump has failed and you actually don't have oil pressure and should be very concerned. If you have kept riding the bike without it running hotter than normal I would look into the sensor first, and possibly replacing it. Tertiary, and a good place to just be sure. The bike is running with the light on correct? As some bikes will let it be on with the cluster prior to start.

As another note, if you haven't run the bike for a long period since, for fear of issues, do not attempt to run it. Just replace the sensor if possible or take it to a qualified mechanic to make sure there is actually oil flow for the safety of your engine.

 

 

 

This bike havent oil pressure light Oil LEVEL only

 

 

But well Maybe it oil level sensor fuck up

 

 

end of citation: 

 

see also hee: INSTRUMENT AND CONTROL FUNCTIONS

https://www.manualsl...00.html?page=20

 

 

well - what is the case here - 

 

look forward to hear from you

Edited by sayhello, 11 December 2023 - 09:42 am.

[Catteeclan]

Correct, oil level warning and no oil pressure light.
Think I'd start with checking the level sensor. 

[sayhello]

hi there - thx  for the reply. 

 

 

see the thread https://www.reddit.c...yamaha_tdm_900/

 

Hello, i have question because i own yamaha tdm 900 and oil level warning Non stop is active. Bayonet show oil level is max. Any ideas Why this warning is on? Please help me

 

 

Not my area of expertise as a forewarning. With that out of the way, I suspect it's one of two things but have no way to differentiate. One that is the most likely is the oil pressure sensor has failed and is now showing a constant false positive even though there is still pressure. The second is that the oil pump has failed and you actually don't have oil pressure and should be very concerned. If you have kept riding the bike without it running hotter than normal I would look into the sensor first, and possibly replacing it. Tertiary, and a good place to just be sure. The bike is running with the light on correct? As some bikes will let it be on with the cluster prior to start.

As another note, if you haven't run the bike for a long period since, for fear of issues, do not attempt to run it. Just replace the sensor if possible or take it to a qualified mechanic to make sure there is actually oil flow for the safety of your engine.

 

This bike havent oil pressure light Oil LEVEL only

 

But well Maybe it oil level sensor fuck up

 

 

end of citation

 

well for me its pretty important  to have 

 

a. oil-pressure and 

b. oil-temp

 

i want to have those data ...  . so what about some efforts in sensors and measures - with ESP32 or Arduino ...

 

 

i will write more - soon

Edited by sayhello, 21 November 2023 - 10:52 pm.

[fixitsan]

Suggest you review and implement to achieve satisfaction

https://www.tdm-yama...rg/?page=OPS

[leehenty]

If you want to fit oil pressure switch to a 900 you have to make a 90° adapter and a custom banjo bolt as the oil
Tank is in the way.
I went to all this trouble years ago, only to find out later 900s dont use oil.

[drewpy]

If you want to fit oil pressure switch to a 900 you have to make a 90° adapter and a custom banjo bolt as the oil
Tank is in the way.
I went to all this trouble years ago, only to find out later 900s dont use oil.

my 850 uses oil and pressure switches 

[sayhello]

 

 

hello dear all first of all many many thanks for the infos you provide. This is awesome

 

i allready have read this page - which is truly a great source. 

 

here i have gotten the infos that you dear leehenty have created a OPS from "scratch" - well i would love to get more infos and insights. 

 

 

If you want to fit oil pressure switch to a 900 you have to make a 90° adapter and a custom banjo bolt as the oil

Tank is in the way. I went to all this trouble years ago, only to find out later 900s dont use oil.

 

note i want to get the data and want to put it into a ESP32 or Arduino in order to display the oil pressure on a oled. 

 

 

 

 

 

hello dear all first of all many many thanks for the infos you provide. This is awesome

 

i allready have read this page - which is truly a great source. 

 

here i have gotten the infos that you dear leehenty have created a OPS from "scratch" - well i would love to get more infos and insights. 

 

 

 

btw: 

 

 

. I went to all this trouble years ago, only to find out later 900s dont use oil.

 

 

no oil at all !? duhhh   - 

 

 

cant believe that!`?  guess that you mean here_ there is no consumption - or so!`?

 

plz clarify here.
 

 

 

 

 

update: what about this work  https://www.flickr.c.../in/dateposted/

found this link also on the page you mentioned :: https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

Edited by sayhello, 20 November 2023 - 11:52 am.

[fixitsan]

Ready made solutions are available

 

£15.78

https://www.ebay.co....:Bk9SR5jQ0ND9Yg

 

£20.03

https://www.ebay.co....:Bk9SR5rQ0ND9Yg

[leehenty]

My niner never needs a top up between services and I check the level regularly. With ceramic coatings on the bores niners dont use oil unless there is something wrong with it. 850s on the other hand, some do some dont
.

Edited by leehenty, 20 November 2023 - 03:56 pm.

[sayhello]

oh thanks 

 

but imagine - the next few months we re  able to do more.  why not do some extra hacks with ESP 32 and Arduino. 

 

 

Ready made solutions are available

 

£15.78

https://www.ebay.co....:Bk9SR5jQ0ND9Yg

 

£20.03

https://www.ebay.co....:Bk9SR5rQ0ND9Yg

 

 

 

nice but awful ... very awful 

 

pretty awful solution     compared with some sexy oled display where we can add a bunch of data

 

- water temp 

- oil temp 

- oil pressure ... some more bells & whistles

 

lets hack this together. with some ideas that are kicked up and down the road.. 

 

leehenty and the other guys form over here  https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPSare  just waiting at the fences

Edited by sayhello, 20 November 2023 - 06:57 pm.

[sayhello]

hi there. 

 

thx for the reply 

 

btw: We re interested in the pressure - not in the level 

 

 

My niner never needs a top up between services and I check the level regularly. With ceramic coatings on the bores niners dont use oil unless there is something wrong with it. 850s on the other hand, some do some dont
.

 

 

gardez 

 

and  see  also here:

 

 

 

 

see the thread https://www.reddit.c...yamaha_tdm_900/

 

Hello, i have question because i own yamaha tdm 900 and oil level warning Non stop is active. Bayonet show oil level is max. Any ideas Why this warning is on? Please help me

 

Not my area of expertise as a forewarning. With that out of the way, I suspect it's one of two things but have no way to differentiate. One that is the most likely is the oil pressure sensor has failed and is now showing a constant false positive even though there is still pressure. The second is that the oil pump has failed and you actually don't have oil pressure and should be very concerned. If you have kept riding the bike without it running hotter than normal I would look into the sensor first, and possibly replacing it. Tertiary, and a good place to just be sure. The bike is running with the light on correct? As some bikes will let it be on with the cluster prior to start.
As another note, if you haven't run the bike for a long period since, for fear of issues, do not attempt to run it. Just replace the sensor if possible or take it to a qualified mechanic to make sure there is actually oil flow for the safety of your engine.

This bike havent oil pressure light Oil LEVEL only 

 

But well Maybe it oil level sensor fuck up

 

 

https://www.reddit.c...yamaha_tdm_900/

 

so the pressure is much more interesting than the level 

 

 _tdm_ops_.jpg   20.02KB   0 downloads

 

taken from here  https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

 

 

 

btw- some more links to ESP 32 and Arduiono - combined with sexy sensors and more 

 

 

460 Seven Sensors tested: Measuring Current with Microcontrollers (Arduino, ESP32, ESP8266)

 

 

 

#321 7 Sensors tested: Measuring Current with Microcontrollers (Arduino, ESP32, ESP8266)

Edited by sayhello, 20 November 2023 - 07:02 pm.

[Snowbird]

When I had my fazer thou I fitted a multigauge made by one of the forum members in place of the fuel gauge, it had lots of options of what to display from the bikes wiring loom and multiple screens that could be cycled through, would need an extra sensor for oil pressure or temp though.
https://www.cartests...stallation.html
It also acted as a speedo healer and could be linked to a cheap GPS module so you could compare readings on the go, he even showed a point on the dash where 5v could be taken to power the gps module.
Worth a look for ideas.

[sayhello]

hi there dear Snowbird,

 

many thanks for the reply and for sharing your ideas, experience with the fitting of a multigauge. Very interesting. 

 

 

 

btw: @leehenty : the images you shared on photobucket -  see this page:  https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

 

all the links are broken - unfortunatly 

 

only the image of Alex (netherlands) is still visible: see here:  https://www.flickr.c...oij/5036560928/

note:  i d like to post this image here  but - i do not want infringe the legal notes over there at flickr. 

 

 

 

 

 

and yes:  Angelo  - from Italy  came up wiht a page with the ideas of a Oil-Pressure-Senosor 

here: http://www.angelofar...tchpressure.pdf

 

note - also some parts of your work can be shown here. 

 

https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

 

 

well - i guess that some of the TDMusers here would be interested in that solution you have found leehenty

 

 

look forward to a fruitful discussion here.   

 

greetings say Hello 

Edited by sayhello, 21 November 2023 - 03:36 pm.

[fixitsan]

oh thanks 

 

but imagine - the next few months we re  able to do more.  why not do some extra hacks with ESP 32 and Arduino. 

 

 

 

 

nice but awful ... very awful 

 

pretty awful solution     compared with some sexy oled display where we can add a bunch of data

 

- water temp 

- oil temp 

- oil pressure ... some more bells & whistles

 

lets hack this together. with some ideas that are kicked up and down the road.. 

 

leehenty and the other guys form over here  https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPSare  just waiting at the fences

 

 

Depending on your skills, you can read I think RPM, and water temperature from the digital K-Line serial line going between the dash and the ECU.

Speed data is available too but that's encoded in a peculiar way, good luck

 

I read it bit-banging in assembly on a Microchip PIC in the end, but got there using Pulseview to record the output from a Chinesium analyser, like this one https://learn.sparkf...k-pulseview/all.

Edited by fixitsan, 21 November 2023 - 06:03 pm.

[sayhello]

good day dear Fixitsan

 

thx for sharing your ideas. 

 

 

here some additional ideas of a Oil-Pressure-Sensor - from Angelo FARINA: 

 

here: http://www.angelofar...tchpressure.pdf

 

 oil_press_sensor_1.png   121.77KB   0 downloads

 

 

 oil_press_sensor_2.png   131.8KB   0 downloads

 

images derived from the pdf  - wiht the consent of Angelo ...

 

 

note - also some parts of your work can be shown here.

 

https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

 

 

[Snowbird]

That is a pressure switch only shown not pressure measurement, you'd need to change for a different sensor, an adaptor to 1/8"NPT would give greater choice of sensors in both EU or USA automotive resistance range or custom industrial sensor which would likely need software calibration with a known pressure source.

A straight oil pressure warning light would do me, does the 900 engine warning light not incorporate low oil pressure?

[sayhello]

hi there dear Snowbird 

 

many thanks for the reply - happy to hear from you

 

That is a pressure switch only shown not pressure measurement, you'd need to change for a different sensor, an adaptor to 1/8"NPT would give greater choice of sensors in both EU or USA automotive resistance range or custom industrial sensor which would likely need software calibration with a known pressure source.

A straight oil pressure warning light would do me, does the 900 engine warning light not incorporate low oil pressure?

 

 

this sensor was brought to the TDM ( or  the XTZ750 ) by Gabibbo -  and  yes: youre right - at the moment it does not what is wanted. 

 

youre right - we need to swith to another. 

 

this is only a very first step i would say - an approach ... futher investigations need to follow. 

 

 

here some ideas are discussed:  https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

 

btw:Leehenty - and his ideas - perhaps we can benefit form a ongoing  discussion .- 

 

 

i will do some furhter readings - eg. here https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

 

 

Thanks to you dear Snowbird - for the participation in this thread - i look forward to a fruitful discussion 

 

 

have a great day 

 

regards 

 

 

 

update;

 

 

Industrial Pressure Sensor - Arduino

 

The Arduino microcontroller controls an electronic circuit that can sense the environment using a sensor (electronic components that convert real-world measurements into electrical signals). The device processes the information from the sensors with the behavior described in the sketch. The device will then be able to interact with the world by using actuators and electronic components that can convert an electric signal into physical action.

 

 

HVAC Pressure Transducer Operation and Testing!

 

 

In This HVAC Training Video, I Show how a Pressure Transducer Works, Common Voltages and Pressures, Troubleshooting, and Calibration Testing! Pressure Transducers are Common in Larger VRF and Some Mini VRF Systems! Supervision is needed by a licensed HVACR Tech while performing tasks as Experience and Apprenticeship garners Wisdom and Safety.

 

 

 

Oil pressure yamaha trx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjcxqheFJiE

 

Yamaha TDM 850 1997 Oil Pressure switch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFTht-Q7og&list=PLIHcvkHKg_aMnW0_d9NEdvmPJ7_EDCN6J&index=1

The result of the work of the master electrician and mine, we added a sensor to my machine, which allows me to find out whether there is oil pressure or not

 

Edited by sayhello, 22 November 2023 - 11:14 pm.

[fixitsan]

 

A straight oil pressure warning light would do me, does the 900 engine warning light not incorporate low oil pressure?

+1.

Start the bike, and if the red oil warning goes out nice and fast, and doesn't come on at idle, you may assume you have enough oil pressure !

Edited by fixitsan, 23 November 2023 - 08:54 am.

[leehenty]

The method for a straight oil pressure switch on the 850 doesnt work on the 900 due to the oil tank being separated from the engine. There is no room so you have to make a brass 90° banjo adapter

[sayhello]

hi there _ many thanks dear Leehenty 

 

thank you for the reply - so we can  say that the work of Akooij does not fit on the TDM 900 

 

see  http://www.flickr.com/photos/akooij/5036560928/

 

 

http://www.flickr.co...oij/5036560928/

Well - according to your description dear leehenty - we have to find another way and yes -  have to make a brass 90° banjo adapter

as allready discussed here https://www.tdm-yama...t.org/?page=OPS

Edited by sayhello, 24 November 2023 - 03:27 pm.