hey folks, has anyone tried a lithium battery instead of the gel type in a 9er?
https://smile.amazon...k/dp/B073CW43YS
I havent ridden in years but still have 3 TDMs and i'm out of work at mo so thought i'd get 1 or 2 of them back on the road while I have the time.
Lithium Battery Upgrade ?
#1
Posted 28 June 2020 - 01:43 pm
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#2
Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:14 pm
Lee Henty is ya man Tony, he has fitted one.. welcome back stranger
Bigred mk1 R1 Calipers- Braided lines- Givi wing rack-Crash bungs- Hi vis bullets-PR2's- and a hoot to ride.
Quad 900 Silver Laser duo tech pipes-Scott oiler-Engine crash bars- Radiator mounted see me ring LED's-Datatool system 3 alarm -Centre stand- Extender fender-Renthal bars-Handle bar risers-Mirror extenders-BMW GS Handgaurds-Acumen uprated horn & Nautilus-Stainless steel Radiator guard-Givi wing rack-OEM screen-Yammy touring screen-MRA Vario-MRA Double bubble cut down for fast as fk riding-Tiger screen-Tank protector-Stomp grip panels-Optimate lead Gone to Heaven
1991 MK1 in need of some TLC watch this space Sorted and on the Road Mick it's the bike that Jack built Gone to Heaven
#3
Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:35 pm
The Blue One : 2004 model owned 2010-2018 much loved, much missed and now living with a man in Scotland
The Black One : 2010 Model Registered 2013 owned 2018 - present.Beowulf Cans. Renthal 755s Grip Puppies,15w fork oil,DL650 handguards,givi engine bars,led spotlights,gipro gear indicator,shortened dogbones,LeeHenty CSM kit and stainless bits,Topsellerie seat,MRA Xcreen,grip puppies.PC III (dynoed). K&N airfilter,Fenda extenda.
#4
Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:37 pm
i ordered a yusa for the moment, as i'm intending to sell the 2nd 9er at some point.
but if people have good things to say about the lithium i'll get one for the old 9er
Lee Henty is ya man Tony, he has fitted one.. welcome back stranger
tanks mate
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#5
Posted 28 June 2020 - 03:29 pm
I went for the Shido LT12B-BS 60Wh. Which is effectively 5 ah at 12 volts.
The advantage is you can use 95% of that instead of the 40% of lead acid.
Also it's the same physical size as the old one. No sticky spacers or anything.
They are Lithium Iron Phosphate so they don't blow up or catch fire.
They also put back the charge you used to start the bike in the first six mins of running.
Edited by leehenty, 28 June 2020 - 03:45 pm.
#6
Posted 28 June 2020 - 03:44 pm
.....But you can't use a normal optimate on it.
didnt know that! thanks for info
went for the same battery as you that also came with the shido charger.
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#7
Posted 28 June 2020 - 03:47 pm
#8
Posted 29 June 2020 - 01:56 pm
The self discharge rate for lithium phosphate is much less than lead acid, meaning the need for maintenance charging is much reduced.
Lead acid self discharges at about 3% - 4% per week. Lithium phosphate at about 3% - 4% per month.
I bought a used LiFePo4 (lithium iron phosphate) Shido for my KTM, it's been great. The overall capacity of the battery I would say is less than the equivalent lead acid, but it provides a good starting current, and recharges very quickly. Good for £20, ithad been fitted to an unfinished project and never abused.
900 with better bits. Owes me nothing, Makes me smile
#9
Posted 29 June 2020 - 03:39 pm
thanks mate
oh well so much for having time to sort out bikes, can you start new job wednesday morning.... back on the road i go
"Never argue with an idiot. They just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
My TDM :
Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 TDM900=unmolested. Gone but not forgotton : XTZ750=overland touring toy, GS500e, GS125
If a strange looking truck driver honks at you & gives you the thumbs up, its could be me
#10
Posted 29 June 2020 - 04:10 pm
thanks mate
oh well so much for having time to sort out bikes, can you start new job wednesday morning.... back on the road i go
Well done on the new job, Tony. Ali
2004 900 - Blue with lots of goodies
2012 900 - Still adding shiny bits. Was black, changed to white and now back to black again.
#11
Posted 29 June 2020 - 05:52 pm
#13
Posted 30 June 2020 - 05:57 pm
I use a JMT 12v 36Wh in my KTM 690 Duke and charge it with an Oxford Oximiser 3X. Works well and brings the weight below 150kg
I thought the 690 was heavier than that. If they are that light I'm back interested in one again. After the 620 I've been running I don't want to carry more weight but a tad more power for the straights would be fun !
900 with better bits. Owes me nothing, Makes me smile
#14
Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:33 pm
I thought the 690 was heavier than that. If they are that light I'm back interested in one again. After the 620 I've been running I don't want to carry more weight but a tad more power for the straights would be fun !
If you do, go for a post 2016 model with an additional balancer shaft on the camshaft https://www.bennetts...test-and-review
1967 Yamaha TD1C 250, 2014 Kawasaki W800, 2011 Aprilia Tuono 1000 V4, 2020 Yamaha XSR900
"At the cutting edge of technophobia"
#15
Posted 30 June 2020 - 06:38 pm
If you do, go for a post 2016 model with an additional balancer shaft on the camshaft https://www.bennetts...test-and-review
After a 620 and huge vibes anything is an improvement. I was tempted to go for the silly bugger ktm 660, but that vibrates even worse. Bit of a jump in prices for the 690 but I saw a couple last year below £2700
900 with better bits. Owes me nothing, Makes me smile
#16
Posted 01 July 2020 - 05:08 pm
After a 620 and huge vibes anything is an improvement. I was tempted to go for the silly bugger ktm 660, but that vibrates even worse. Bit of a jump in prices for the 690 but I saw a couple last year below £2700
You're welcome to have a try on mine
1967 Yamaha TD1C 250, 2014 Kawasaki W800, 2011 Aprilia Tuono 1000 V4, 2020 Yamaha XSR900
"At the cutting edge of technophobia"
#17
Posted 01 July 2020 - 06:37 pm
You're welcome to have a try on mine
That would be great thanks. Maybe later in the year. ?
900 with better bits. Owes me nothing, Makes me smile
#18
Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:55 pm
That would be great thanks. Maybe later in the year. ?
PM me - taking it for a trackday on the 17th at Knockhill - hopefully still in one piece after it...................................
1967 Yamaha TD1C 250, 2014 Kawasaki W800, 2011 Aprilia Tuono 1000 V4, 2020 Yamaha XSR900
"At the cutting edge of technophobia"
#19
Posted 02 July 2020 - 08:34 am
PM me - taking it for a trackday on the 17th at Knockhill - hopefully still in one piece after it...................................
Would love to go but I'm working in Cornwall for three weeks starting on Monday. Keep it one piece !
900 with better bits. Owes me nothing, Makes me smile
#20
Posted 02 July 2020 - 09:12 am
Use them in my Husky good starting power,will turn over faster as they warm up,cant use pulsating current as Lee says but they do ok on an over charge so if needed I just use the 2amp level on the car charger for 5mins to give a boost if needed (sometimes the old 450 I used didnt want to start).They dont like the cold so if parked outside may cause issues but in a garage no.Far lighter than a normal battery,hold the charge well and I have two that are 5 years old and still working.
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