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#1 jiff

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 12:13 pm


......the acronym may be meaningless to some....but stands for Ultra Low Emission Zone
and refers to the creation of an area of central London (to be expanded next year)
& (maybe?) other cities (soon).....
Vehicles which dont comply with certain emission standards will have to pay a significant fee
to enter the zone. This seems to apply to all 850s & perhaps early 900s.....(not sure)

Battling through all the gov. info. it appears that some vehicles can be modified to make them compliant,
but I cant decipher more detail.....some sort of filter appears available, to be fitted by officialy registered
companies...but that may only be for diesels.

Anyone know more?.........Jiff

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 01:28 pm

I was reading recently that ALL pre-2007 scooters and mopeds will be paying ULEZ in London...or at least, that is the proposal. In which case it may be the thin end of the wedge and extended to motorcycles too. My 2004 registered TDM900 is chargeable. There is a site you can go to and check your bike via it's reg number....

 

 > > >  Check Here > >  https://tfl.gov.uk/m...rm-checker-ulez


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 04:39 pm

I was reading recently that ALL pre-2007 scooters and mopeds will be paying ULEZ in London...or at least, that is the proposal. In which case it may be the thin end of the wedge and extended to motorcycles too. My 2004 registered TDM900 is chargeable. There is a site you can go to and check your bike via it's reg number....
 
 > > >  Check Here > >  https://tfl.gov.uk/m...rm-checker-ulez


.....yep!.....done that.....my 4TX is definitely liable to attract the charge
I live in what will be the expanded zone, and will, apparently, be granted a limited ‘stay of execution’
but then will have to cough along with everyone else......
Don’t want to part from my beloved 4TX......so hence trying to see if any mods. are available / possible
to make it compliant

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 04:57 pm

.....yep!.....done that.....my 4TX is definitely liable to attract the charge
I live in what will be the expanded zone, and will, apparently, be granted a limited ‘stay of execution’
but then will have to cough along with everyone else......
Don’t want to part from my beloved 4TX......so hence trying to see if any mods. are available / possible
to make it compliant

 

I know where you're coming from, but any modification would mean that they would need to inspect it....and anyone else's, whoever chooses to do that. The very least i would imagine would be the requirement for a new SVA test (type approval)  and certificate of compliance...not cheap.

 

You just need a small electric motor and battery pack on the front wheel (or rear wheel) and you can call it a hybrid :)


Edited by fixitsan, 05 December 2018 - 06:02 pm.

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:01 pm

 

I know where you're coming from, but any modification would mean that they would need to inspect it....and anyone else's, whoever chooses to do that. The very least i would imagine would be the requirement for a new SVA test (type approval)  and certificate of compliance...not cheap.

 

You just need a small electric motor and battery pack on the front wheel (or rear wheel) and you can call it a hybrid :)

 

Try convincing DVLA of that.....



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Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:36 pm

 

Try convincing DVLA of that.....

 

Well funny you should mention that, as someone who has converted an FZ600 to electric power I thought it would be a nightmare. but all I need to do is just change fuel type to 'Electricity' and they issue a new appropriate reg document,

 

I don't have a clue about hybrid though....  I've just found this for someone's hybrid car, lists fuel type  'Hybrid Electric'

  • Date of first registration: March 2017
  • Year of manufacture: 2017
  • Cylinder capacity (cc): 1395 cc
  • CO₂Emissions: 40 g/km
  • Export marker: No
  • Vehicle status: Tax not due
  • Vehicle colour: WHITE
  • Vehicle type approval: M1
  • Wheelplan: 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
  • Revenue weight: 2040kg

 

 

 

DVLA don't require an inspection


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Posted 05 December 2018 - 11:38 pm

 

Well funny you should mention that, as someone who has converted an FZ600 to electric power I thought it would be a nightmare. but all I need to do is just change fuel type to 'Electricity' and they issue a new appropriate reg document,

 

I don't have a clue about hybrid though....  I've just found this for someone's hybrid car, lists fuel type  'Hybrid Electric'

  • Date of first registration: March 2017
  • Year of manufacture: 2017
  • Cylinder capacity (cc): 1395 cc
  • CO₂Emissions: 40 g/km
  • Export marker: No
  • Vehicle status: Tax not due
  • Vehicle colour: WHITE
  • Vehicle type approval: M1
  • Wheelplan: 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
  • Revenue weight: 2040kg

 

 

 

DVLA don't require an inspection

 

Well, Well, Well …. ?

 

Is this a loophole ?    Use it as much as you can.  Well done !

 

Doubt  you'd get away with it in France.  But who knows...?



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:04 am

 

Well, Well, Well …. ?

 

Is this a loophole ?    Use it as much as you can.  Well done !

 

Doubt  you'd get away with it in France.  But who knows...?

 

 

I started looking into it years ago when I thought about building an electric car. On one of the forums was a guy, ex engineer and a serving cop, who had figured out that the smart thing to do  was to convert a car which had a current MOT, send off the logbook to DVLA with the adjustment to the fuel type, who then simply returned an updated V5. At the next MOT the car is tested against the fuel class.on the V5

 

The only people who are shirty , (and perhaps rightly so) are the insurance companies. Some insist on an engineer report at minimum, others have asked for a full SVA 'type approval' test, and the rest won't touch you with a bargepole.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:55 am

Insurance companies..... a bunch of accuntants  led by bookies.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:32 pm

Insurance companies..... a bunch of accuntants  led by bookies.

 

My dad taught me at a young age :).  Banks are only money lenders with a smiley tv advert !


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Posted 13 December 2018 - 02:36 pm

I just came across this on a Facebook group....

 

Euro 3 Compliance Info

One of our members has found out how to see if your older bike is actually Euro 3 compliant, see below:

Good news, i've copied and pasted the result of the riders outcoem - " ULEZ has accepted the documentation and my bike is now ULEZ exempt! The NOx figure is what TFL care about and the 1200GS has a figure of 0.038 whereas the maximum allowed is 0.15 (EURO3 standard) so it is way under.

Process for 1200GS
You will need the homologation paper for your bike, it is based on the VIN number I am afraid. I got mine from BMW homologation department (email eccoc@bmw.co.uk) after sending through a copy of my V5, filling in a form and paying £120.00. If you email them will will send you the form you need to complete.

Once you have the homologation certificate you send that along with a copy of the V5 to TFL (there is a link on ther website for applying for exemption) and you should receive notification in a few days.

If you have a friendly BMW dealer try ask them for the homologation papers, it may save you £120.00!

Other < 2006 bikes
What I did is contact eccoc@bmw.co.uk for the emission figures for the bike in question. You should get a table with the emission figures, the important one is the NOx. If the NOx is under 0.15 then you need to decide if you want to pay the £120.00 for the homologation papers. TFL require the homologation papers to grant you exemption." This may also work with other manufacturers.


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