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[wicklamulla]

well we spent bout 17k having d'old garage knocked doon and rebuilt a few years ago.  We had it rebuilt longer and wider and as it's attached to the end of the house we had the a proper matching tiled roof fitted as i hated the original flat roof that was over the garage as it was leaking. 

 

We now have a loft space too which is boarded out and i have plenty of TDM  and pickup truck spares stashed up dare fer when the zombie appocolips starts.   

We went as wide as we cud with the garage, bout 1m away from the conifer boundary hedge.  The feckin' wind floored a length of the hedge 3 years ago which meant i had to remove it and build a fence in it's place which has left a space between the new garage and the fence which i use for storing me road signage, traffic cones etc,  pity it didn't happen afore we built the new garage as we cudda went at least 1m wider!

 

Looks like i'm gonna hafta find the funds and concrete the whole yard space out front of me abode as the old tarmac and gravel surface is chewed up from  manoeuvring  the trucks (dry steering etc) and concrete is tougher dan tarmac. I will  build anudder shed down the garden at some pint in time too.  I reckon it can be approximately 20' x 12' in size.  I was wondering if it is cheaper and easier to have it built in timber or concrete blocks?  Timber appeals as it's not as stark looking as concrete blocks and render.

 

What say ye?

[Studley Ramrod]

Well, blocks would prolly last a lot longer so ya might need to reflect that in the pricing. Some trellis and ivy would hide the blocks.

[Andy25]

Would you need planning permission for a 20 x 12 shed made from Block ?

Seems more of a permanent structure than say a Wooden Shed that can be moved / modified as needed

Just a thought

[dapleb]

Using my great memory when I looked into this.... You can have a timer structure up to a certain size but a flammable structure such as timber has more limitations on position to boundary. The concrete one won't have the same limitation. Think up to 30msq (memory guess) without plan.


Edit: from https://www.planning.../outbuildings/2

If the floor area of the building is between 15 square metres and 30 square metres, you will not normally be required to apply for building regulations approval providing that the building contains NO sleeping accommodation and is either at least one metre from any boundary or it is constructed substantially of non-combustible materials.

[wicklamulla]

ok tanks.  I will more dan loikely apply fir planning permission as it's usually not a problem when ya lives in the middle of nowhere.  Oil be widening the gateway too by 1m as it'll make reversing me truck n' chipper through it in de dark a bit easier.  I'd rather jump thru some hoops and comply rather dan have problems during or after the build.

[dapleb]

You can fill in a form and they will tell you what you need. At most out will be building regs not planning. The Devonian building regs lot are much better resourced (and therefore easier to contact and more helpful) than the home of Morris dancing lot.

[wicklamulla]

You can fill in a form and they will tell you what you need. At most out will be building regs not planning. The Devonian building regs lot are much better resourced (and therefore easier to contact and more helpful) than the home of Morris dancing lot.

splendid.  We had a cursory chat with Mid Devon Council a few munts ago and they said it'll be a piece of pish but we'll eventually submit plans and see what they say re. building regs etc.

[ChrisG]

I'd expect timber to be a hell of a lot cheaper, and most companies that make timber sheds/cabins will make then to your spec and then just stick the panels together onsite.  I got a basic 6'x12' feather edge shed, built to my non-standard requirements, in the summer and it cost about the same as putting in the concrete base to sit it on.  Alternatively it's pretty easy to build your own on site if you have sensibly priced timber merchant around

 

However timber will need more maintenance, and is nowhere near as secure as brick/block built one.  Presumably with the amount of work kit you have around as well as the bikes security is a consideration?

[wicklamulla]

I'd expect timber to be a hell of a lot cheaper, and most companies that make timber sheds/cabins will make then to your spec and then just stick the panels together onsite.  I got a basic 6'x12' feather edge shed, built to my non-standard requirements, in the summer and it cost about the same as putting in the concrete base to sit it on.  Alternatively it's pretty easy to build your own on site if you have sensibly priced timber merchant around

 

However timber will need more maintenance, and is nowhere near as secure as brick/block built one.  Presumably with the amount of work kit you have around as well as the bikes security is a consideration?

 

 

well security is not a huge concern  cos 'if they really want it the'll get to it and take it'.  The current garage is block built and houses the expensive stuff.  the additional wooden shed would house the chipper and a few bikes, hydraulic work bench etc.  There is a timber merchant 2 miles up the road so thas useful too!

[dablik]

Come on Wickers, you've got a chain saw   "Timber"

[wicklamulla]

Come on Wickers, you've got a chain saw   "Timber"

  i got's more sain chaws than botormikes Cliff,  last count (of monticristo) was 15 saws. I could get a mill and plank up my own timber i suppose but i loike convenience so will buy the lumber.  Problem is i need to concrete the whole yard first and concrete the foundation pad for the shed at the same time so i'm trying to gather the necessary dollar together to make this happen.    

[dablik]

Yep conveniance counts for a lot, been thinking of the same myself but i reckon i would only be inviting trouble with the local yooth, you looked at 2nd hand stuff at all on ebay, often some bargains around if you can collect.

[ChrisG]

Off topic, but do you need planning permission to concrete the yard due to the change in drainage?

[dapleb]

I have seen plastic click togetherness plastic boxes that you fill with shingle that can ewesed as a shed base of ya five fancy concrete.

[Studley Ramrod]

  i got's more sain chaws than botormikes Cliff,  last count (of monticristo) was 15 saws. I could get a mill and plank up my own timber i suppose but i loike convenience so will buy the lumber.  Problem is i need to concrete the whole yard first and concrete the foundation pad for the shed at the same time so i'm trying to gather the necessary dollar together to make this happen.    

 

A relative of mine hired a cement mixer and concreted around 30sqm all by himself, saved a small fortune.  Mayhaps not for you if convenience is the key though.

[bondy]

Off topic, but do you need planning permission to concrete the yard due to the change in drainage?

 

From memory you'd need to dig a soakaway, min distance from any dwelling or boundary of 3m, so that any rain water stays within your boundary and away from your dwelling. The soakaway should be to designed to cope with the ground conditions and amount of water being drained to it. Plastic crates are the way forward as they are compact and strong.

If you have an older property that doesn't use soakaway's and your rain drains away from your property, either to a road or path then hence to public drainage, you pay a bit more on your utility bill. Boop

[wicklamulla]

ok gr8 info here chaps,  tanks.  We knew about the drainage concerns and intend on putting in drainage channels covered with slotted galvanised covers and possibly using a water capture system to save and store the rain water for use in the garden.  I don't wanna pay any more money on my utility bills so we'll work it out with a soak away if required.

 

Bondy re; the plastic crates,  are these to fill with stone n' gravel and for use as a soak away or  are yew referring to the same 'foundation crates' as Dapleb mentioned above?

 

Oil hafta have a measure up to calculate the area that needs concreting,  there is a bit of a slope on the area too so that will possibly mean more excavating and it may mean alot more concrete.

[bondy]

ok gr8 info here chaps,  tanks.  We knew about the drainage concerns and intend on putting in drainage channels covered with slotted galvanised covers and possibly using a water capture system to save and store the rain water for use in the garden.  I don't wanna pay any more money on my utility bills so we'll work it out with a soak away if required.

 

Bondy re; the plastic crates,  are these to fill with stone n' gravel and for use as a soak away or  are yew referring to the same 'foundation crates' as Dapleb mentioned above?

 

Oil hafta have a measure up to calculate the area that needs concreting,  there is a bit of a slope on the area too so that will possibly mean more excavating and it may mean alot more concrete.

 

They are the cube shaped ones that click together to make it as big as needed for a soakaway. Have look on the interwebthingymebobwhatsit for more info.