Camouflage Bike Jackets
#1
Posted 06 December 2008 - 10:35 pm
http://www.cottermc....products_id=744
I have seen a few of these (with difficulty) going around Dublin this last while and it really defies me why someone would wear them. I can understand that there is a certain macho thing to biking, especially in younger years but this takes the biscuit. Why not just cut your brake lines and hope for the best? I see why they are on special offer..there must be only a limited number of lunatics in any city....apw99
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#2
Posted 06 December 2008 - 11:53 pm
My Super Modded TDM has gone to a new home
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#3
Posted 07 December 2008 - 09:21 am
I have seen a few of these (with difficulty) going around Dublin this last while and it really defies me why someone would wear them. I can understand that there is a certain macho thing to biking, especially in younger years but this takes the biscuit. Why not just cut your brake lines and hope for the best? I see why they are on special offer..there must be only a limited number of lunatics in any city....apw99
Dont matter if you are wearing Hi-Vis, camo, or no cloths at all there will always be some bugger that wont see you!
Its just down to riding defencivly.
TAM
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#4
Posted 07 December 2008 - 11:01 am
A site I used to work at a long unlit aproach road and quite a few military types working there. Not at all uncommon to see (or not) some muppet cycling down the road in the dark with no lights wearing combats
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#5
Posted 07 December 2008 - 12:17 pm
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#6
Posted 07 December 2008 - 08:47 pm
Its just down to riding defencivly.
TAM
Thats true but why tip the odds...no-ones perfect otherwise we wouldn't wear a lid. It just amazes me...
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#7
Posted 07 December 2008 - 09:13 pm
Its just down to riding defencivly.
TAM
Agreed
#8
Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:53 am
think about it
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#9
Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:34 am
i thought the whole point of 'Urban camo' as that colouring is known, was that it actually stands out as it makes you do a double take at a shape you dont recognise
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to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
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to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips
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#10
Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:46 am
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#11
Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:55 am
#12
Posted 08 December 2008 - 12:30 pm
Those colours albeit in a slightly different pattern were originally used as camoflage for battlships in the WW1 iirc.
However with Hi viz waistcoats, lights permentantly on dipped beam, and in some cases horns that make car drivers ears bleed there are still yoyos out there who "don't see us".
So WTF , ride comfy , ride defensive and best of luck to us all.
Mick
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#13 Guest_E.T._*
Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:47 pm
That's 27000 miles in 5 years I've ridden. I definitely recommend to the RoSPA training (or equivilent)
#14
Posted 08 December 2008 - 06:24 pm
The ships Mick mentioned used a similar principle, it's pretty hard to camoflauge a ship but by breaking up its shape it makes it harder to tell what it is, which way it's facing, and therefore how fast it's going. This kind of thing was used to confuse submarines, if you can't get an accurate speed and bearing it's hard to hit it with a torpedo. Died out with the comming of maritime patrol aircraft though (have I out geeked Mick yet?)
1992 Mk1, 76k miles, Hagon springs, MTC exhaust, 4½ gears Gone now
2009 900 abs, 42k miles, Yamaha heated grips, double bubble screen, R&G crash bungs, scottoiler, Autocom, 1500 lumen LED spotlights.
#15
Posted 08 December 2008 - 06:59 pm
#16
Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:31 pm
I've never quite understood this. I mean taken literally, you'd stop before every side turning with a car waiting to pull out, because you'd assumed they hadn't seen you--well how could they if you're invisible
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#17
Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:38 pm
Geekus maximus indeed oh great one
Mick
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#18
Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:57 pm
The ships Mick mentioned used a similar principle, it's pretty hard to camoflauge a ship but by breaking up its shape it makes it harder to tell what it is, which way it's facing, and therefore how fast it's going. This kind of thing was used to confuse submarines, if you can't get an accurate speed and bearing it's hard to hit it with a torpedo. Died out with the comming of maritime patrol aircraft though (have I out geeked Mick yet?)
Good point - that dazzle boat is for confusion not concealment
Lights can conceal as well as reveal - see the lower part of this page link
http://jmrc.tripod.c...th/stealth2.htm
Stu
#19 Guest_E.T._*
Posted 09 December 2008 - 07:06 pm
No that's really not true, its about anticipating, preplanning, and knowing what avoiding actions you can do BEFORE the event happens. Already being in the safest position in the road (furthest from potential hazards)
Know what is behind and to the sides, that allows you to know whether you can brake hard, swerve without anything hitting you, or just plane accelerate so even as the car comes out you're past him before he can hit you.
To do that you need to maximise road position, it means that for a car from a junction on your left, you need to be at the crown of the road, if the car turns left, you end up parallel to him (rather than in his door...that's the consequence of being in the right, but riding on the left of your lane...sure it was the other guys fault he pulled out in front of me guv)
If he turns right, ie right across you, up to the safe stopping distance you can do an emergency stop, He passes in front of you and misses you by 1mm, you can and call him names. OR if you are past that point (which is actually quite close) if he does start to come, you are, of course, already in the most responsive gear..aren't you?... just open it up, particularly with something like a TDM you can accelerate past, faster than he comes out (cos your' up in the crown of the road, he has to travel a whole lane's width). You still curse, but you have to give the finger to him in his rear view mirror.
Another option, if you think he hasn't seen you; use the hooter.
Look for eye contact.
Look for slight movement of wheels (its easier to gauge than from front of car movement say).
And the argument I hear is what if he just doesn't stop and keeps coming?
It is very rare that anyone does that. they will attempt to look and may miss you, but there is a build up of events. Firstly, you're up in the crown of the road so you're actually looking down that side road as he approaches (if you're on the crown you will see him much sooner, cos you get a better view). that gives you a cars length (at very least) before he reaches his give way line. So stop or accelerate or change cause, they are all pre considered for each hazard.
another argument, but it "just happened"...
Its like playing pro football - the pros won't be thinking about the move they are on, they will be thinking about two shots ahead - you need to do that too. No event should be a total surprise because you should be looking for the event build up.
If the worst drivers normally have a reason for changing course or breaking or going, even they aren't random events. You should be able to anticipate cars overtaking before they have anticipated it - its a game I play on the motorways...ah that car is catching up to that truck so he's going to pull out..ah but he hasn't even thought about that yet. So that's looking ahead and doing every one else's driving too.
<climbs off soap box>
Edited by E.T., 09 December 2008 - 07:07 pm.
#20
Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:44 pm
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