Advanced Motorcycling
#21
Posted 01 March 2008 - 01:43 pm
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#22
Posted 01 March 2008 - 01:47 pm
...otherwise I fail to see how anyone can develop an informed personal opinion on it.
I've done the IAM test and am currently in the middle of one of the (apparently) best observer training programmes in the country. My theory in all of this is that the only barrier that stops you learning is thinking you know it all already, and where's the harm in learning all you can?
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#23
Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:12 pm
What are you learning?
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#24
Posted 01 March 2008 - 03:03 pm
All sorts really. But from memory as a general tick-list:
What Roadcraft somewhat anorak-ishly calls "The systems of motorcycle control" (IPSGA) ie: a flexible system on how to approach, evaluate and deal with anything and everything
Effective all round observation and planning
Hazard evaluation, anticipation and prioritisation
Positioning and equalisation
Effective slow and fast speed machine control
...
Like many, I thought I had pretty much all of that sussed already, but in many areas slightly different approaches were suggested. Sometimes they work, other times I do what I did before, but at least now I have a little more knowledge to hopefully pick the potentially better option. There are no guarantee's, but it hopefully shoves the odds a little more in my favour. The more I learn, the more options I try to consider.
The observer side of things mixes all that in with constant riding ability sessions and assessments, communication skills, teaching skills, third party observation, paperwork (yawn), additional safety matters, first aid (just in case!), things like that.
For less than the cost of a new tyre, if people are at all interested I'd suggest they forget the BMW and slippers stereotypes (my observer had an R1) give it a go and make their own mind up. If one little seemingly minor observation tip helps someone spot something dangerous one day that they may have otherwise not noticed, it's all good. As a minimum they'll learn that they really are as good as they thought they were :-)
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VFR 800 VTEC with Starcom communications system, ATC-2k digital video camera, seat, wheels, slightly different noisy engine type thing...
http://www.theultimatehigh.co.uk/
#25
Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:11 pm
As I see it, the only negative reply was here say. I guess the guy must be an expert rider...........or does he just think he is. But to be fair maybe it wasn't the best people he went to, there is good and bad everywhere. All other replies were positive and were from those that had been there and done it.
I have just received my study kit for my part 3 (instructional ability) exam and I have a lot of work to do. I also have 6 one to one training days from my instructor in March. As soon as I can get out on my bike again properly I shall be looking at obtaining some advance riding skills. I believe there's a meet near me at Brands Hatch.
Once again thanks very much for your response.
#26
Posted 01 March 2008 - 05:17 pm
Whats one of them then?
Does anyone know why you get a different coloured star for not overtaking? I still dunt understand that.
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 05:28 pm
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#28
Posted 01 March 2008 - 05:44 pm
Assuming they operate the same way as the IAM...
There's lot of reasons for not taking an overtake, some good and some bad
eg.
there was a gateway at the side of the road and you couldn't tell if it was a turning or not
it was a nice sunny day and you were having a nice relaxed ride at the same speed as the car
you didn't percieve it as safe as you didn't think you'd get past and back in lane quicly enough not to scare an oncomming vehicle
low sun was impeding your visibility
vs.
you were in the wrong position on the road so didn't see the overtake opportunity until it was too late
you were in the in the wrong gear so couldn't accelerate quickly enough
you were too close behind a vehicle so couldn't see round it
you weren't paying enough attention to the road to notice there was a straight comming up
The observer/examiner is going to be quite happy with the former, which are about not wanting to take an opportunity you've seen, but you'd get marked down for the latter, which are things we've all done.
1992 Mk1, 76k miles, Hagon springs, MTC exhaust, 4½ gears Gone now
2009 900 abs, 42k miles, Yamaha heated grips, double bubble screen, R&G crash bungs, scottoiler, Autocom, 1500 lumen LED spotlights.
#29
Posted 01 March 2008 - 05:49 pm
1992 Mk1, 76k miles, Hagon springs, MTC exhaust, 4½ gears Gone now
2009 900 abs, 42k miles, Yamaha heated grips, double bubble screen, R&G crash bungs, scottoiler, Autocom, 1500 lumen LED spotlights.
#30
Posted 01 March 2008 - 06:07 pm
I had a go on a WR250 at the NEC bike show. They had a little track set up in the woods and just let you get one with it. Great fun. The Yamaha school offer a 10% discount to Yamaha owners and do a one day course not far from me too, I'm very tempted.
That sounds like fun and I'd be up for that...haven't ridden off road for years
#31
Posted 01 March 2008 - 06:42 pm
Anyone recommend any venues/organisations up in t'north?
#32
Posted 01 March 2008 - 06:48 pm
ok ta Chris.
If you want to mark your location on the Carpe map: http://www.carpe-tdm...opic.php?t=5117
Doin valve clearances? Use dappers valve shim exchange program and the job will be carroty - Free (other than you postin me yer shims) for sporting members.
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#33
Posted 01 March 2008 - 07:15 pm
Although I never had an advanced motor bike course, I find that I can apply most of what I learnt in the cars to the bikes as well.
However, as someone said earlier, don't assume that, as you've had 8 or 10 hours instruction, you know it all. Every little helps, but remember, 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'
Here endeth the sermon,
John
Don't need no oil drums no more.
#34
Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:12 am
I've heard IAM compared with a RoSPA Silver pass, but if you want more precise analysis of your ability, there is a Special Assessment they offer that gives a percentage result.
Whatever you do, it's only a step further along the continuum of learning. Even those who decry 'training' usually applaud 'experience' and that's just practical learning.
IMHO most crashes are due to complacency and lack of concentration. A decent trainer will get you to focus on these, and with the right attitude to your own vulnerability you'll stay focused afterwards. Advanced riders still crash ...... ye cannae change the laws o' physics.
Stu
#35 Guest_E.T._*
Posted 03 March 2008 - 05:51 pm
that's true, I've crashed my bike over in the shed before now...before I even go on the bugga...now that really is an advanced crash
#36
Posted 03 March 2008 - 08:00 pm
Ive been doing the training with Wigan Branch.
Can thoroughly recommend it, Learning loads and....
it's a good excuse to get out for a ride on a Sunday Morning.
Cheers, Ivan
Kawasaki GT550, XJ900 Diversion, 2002 TDM 900 , 2008 TDM 900a, 2010 TDM 900a.
#37
Posted 24 March 2008 - 04:00 pm
I had a spell of about 20years away from bikes. I signed up for a basic assessment by the local IAM group at a show shortly after I returned to motorcycling and signed up for the "Skills for Life" programme as a result. It's been a brilliant experience, I've learnt a great deal and enjoy my riding more as a result - just as they predicted when I did the first assessed ride.
If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
Puch Maxi (!), KTM Comet Cross, Honda CB100, Kawasaki Z400, Moto Guzzi V50, Kawasaki Z200
#38
Posted 29 March 2008 - 06:16 pm
Weather was bad, rainy and very windy.
Had a good run and with every IAM run learned a lot off the examiner.
Can deffinately reccomend it.
Kawasaki GT550, XJ900 Diversion, 2002 TDM 900 , 2008 TDM 900a, 2010 TDM 900a.
#39
Posted 29 March 2008 - 07:03 pm
Congratulations
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Posted 29 March 2008 - 07:32 pm
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