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#1 newstu

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:47 am

aggghh!!

dropped a bit of a clanger here - finally got the two into one quietened down sufficiently with a db killer - the pipe really makes a difference to the way the bike revs, i found myself hitting the rev limiter on a couple of occasions yesterday which i have never done before


all was good until i sat down and looked at the bike last night (you know that 'job well done', 'cake in hand' feeling) when i noticed how much higher the new pipe kicks up - this means that my Givi throwovers will be resting on the pipe on the right hand side agggh!!

this may be a daft question but just how hot does the can get? i am sure i have followed bikes with the pannier touching the pipe - but not really taken much notice - anybody else had this problem / any solutions?

i wanna go off to Wales this weekend but dont want to be depositing my smalls in a gooey plastic mess as i go!!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:57 am

it will melt yer throw over so ya need to sort it asap.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:02 am


Perhaps your temporary solution is here:
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:09 am

sorry for being so daft but what does the following mean:

"....finally got the two into one quietened down sufficiently with a db killer - the pipe really makes a difference to the way the bike revs, i found myself hitting the rev limiter on a couple of occasions yesterday which i have never done before"

I am guessing that u made the 2 pipes into one using a single exhust? can u pls give pictures and or links where and how this can be purchased /done?

Has any segnificant weight been saved?

and why would this improve performance?

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Edited by roys, 30 June 2010 - 09:10 am.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:11 am

He's changed his standard exhaust for a 2-1 system (single can instead of one either side), but it was noisy, so has used a decibel killer (DB Killer) to reduce the volume.

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MY02 TDM 900 Yellow over Black RIP
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:12 am

depends on the can dunno.gif
some do get hot, the more 'legal' they are often the cooler they are as theres more wadding to spread the heat

touch it with a carrier bag, if that melts then it will be hot enough to damage your panniers

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:43 am

Remember watchin Spud shed his pants and towel down a dual carriageway for the very same reason. laugh.gif
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:49 am

QUOTE(dmmsta @ Wed 30th Jun 2010, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's changed his standard exhaust for a 2-1 system (single can instead of one either side), but it was noisy, so has used a decibel killer (DB Killer) to reduce the volume.

Something Like This



tnx - I am very interested in how this 2-1 after market set up looks like - do u have any links for our bikes?

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:05 am

QUOTE(TonyDevil @ Wed 30th Jun 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
depends on the can dunno.gif
some do get hot, the more 'legal' they are often the cooler they are as theres more wadding to spread the heat

touch it with a carrier bag, if that melts then it will be hot enough to damage your panniers


ow ow ow ow ow!

no really - thats very hot and my hand hurts now - what a tit!

i think i have the answer - if its hot enough to cause this much pain then it will melt through my panniers

i let the bike run up until the fan kicked in so fairly hot - i have managed to hitch the panniers up by means of a bungee and by slinging two of the fasteners over the top of the seat not underneath it - this gives me a about 10 mm clearance above the pipe. The odd thing is that the highest point of the pipe (right where it is closest to the pannier) stays relatively cool. (hence me burning my hand - the difference in temperature a few mill down the pipe is incredible)

I will pop some pics on in a bit
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:18 am








Edited by newstu, 30 June 2010 - 11:36 am.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:25 am

Can you put some packing on the seat under the straps to raise the bags up a bit ? dunno.gif

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:30 am

still too close as the zorst gasses will toast it.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:33 am

OK, bend the pipe down before the can and add a spacer at the mounting. tongue.gif

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 11:51 am

QUOTE(Migs @ Wed 30th Jun 2010, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK, bend the pipe down before the can and add a spacer at the mounting. tongue.gif



im thinking along those lines - just figuring out how to do that now - there is a fair bit of "give" in the pipe and i could probably gain a few mill that way

not sure how the random pic got in there - wrong copy and paste that could been embarassing!!
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 12:07 pm

Oid be more worried about melting that giant Malteser!!!


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Posted 30 June 2010 - 12:43 pm

QUOTE(wicklamulla @ Wed 30th Jun 2010, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
still too close as the zorst gasses will toast it.

wifgeni.gif
it will bounce up and down and melt

i used soldering heat matts to cover the bottom of my old set of panniers
but thats not as easy with soft luggage

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Black 1991 850 MK1, 160k+ miles(ish, best guess really, gave up trying to keep count after 3rd set of clocks and 3rd engine), PilotRoad2 tyres, custom stubby exhaust system, bluespot calipers & goodridge braided hoses with dunlopads, maxton forks, Ohlins shock, kedo handguards, stainless TDM grill, Scottoiler with lubetube & dual nozzle thingy, Givi Wingrack2 with E45 & 2xE36s, renntec crash bars, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider2, Optimate IIIsp, Bagster tank cover, anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led spotlights, heated grips, new braided lines and rear caliper that actually has bleed nipples
Silver-ish 2003 900, 70k miles, PilotRoad3 front tyre (new@65k) & PR2 rear(new at 69k), Renthal 755 bars with KTM handguards, oxford unheated grips, power commander 3usb, scorpion titanium exhausts, standard screen with vario winglet thingy, stainless grill, oem centre stand, bagster tank cover, givi monokey topplate mounted on grabrail with V46 topbox, Givi PL pannier rails with E21s, crash bungs, mirror extender thingys, Halfords Advanced Laser Blue brillance bulbs, 21w led spotlights, touring scottoiler with leehenty dual nozzle, Autocom with blueteeth & PMR radio, TomTom Rider3 Urban, winter style anti-dazzle coating
to fit : led brake light strip, replacement heated grips

current rides : TDM850 3vd/mk1=tourer&scratcher, TRX850=weekend twisty toy, 2003 TDM900=commuter, 2005 
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 01:36 pm

why not strap them onto the tail pack.

didn't someone on here have luggage fitted to the front of the bike, along side the fairings

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 03:30 pm

QUOTE(TonyDevil @ Wed 30th Jun 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wifgeni.gif
it will bounce up and down and melt

i used soldering heat matts to cover the bottom of my old set of panniers
but thats not as easy with soft luggage


I wonder if it's possible to strap the plumbers mat around the can, maybe use a large jubleeclip or 2 ?

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 11:52 am

just in case - i have made a sort of heatshield for the bottom of the pannier - a la Blue Peter stylee except the tape is foil tape that i use for acoustic baffles for work.



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Posted 02 July 2010 - 12:10 pm

QUOTE(newstu @ Wed 30th Jun 2010, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
aggghh!!

i wanna go off to Wales this weekend but dont want to be depositing my smalls in a gooey plastic mess as i go!!

cheers,

stu


Which part of this Lovelly country are you visiting? its going to be a good weekend down south well saturday http://news.bbc.co.u...er/forecast/380

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