Automatic Chain Lubrication Systems
#1
Posted 30 December 2006 - 12:45 am
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#2
Posted 30 December 2006 - 01:12 am
En-joy and Stormy seem to favour the fancy ones if you look at these posts there is a bit of info
http://www.carpe-tdm...o...c=908&st=40 scroll for stormy's post
http://www.carpe-tdm...?showtopic=2746 scroll for e-njoy posts
hope this helps and don't confuse matters
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#3
Posted 30 December 2006 - 01:26 am
The control afforded by the Hawke oiler is attractive. You just hit the button whenever you want to lube the chain while riding. Also inexpensive.
http://www.hawkeoiler.com/index.html
#4
Posted 30 December 2006 - 03:34 am
The control afforded by the Hawke oiler is attractive. You just hit the button whenever you want to lube the chain while riding. Also inexpensive.
http://www.hawkeoiler.com/index.html
Thanks Twinrider, I'm not too worried about the ambient temperature range causing flow problems - I'm only going to be out in the 5 to 25 degrees C range. Preferably the higher end of the scale . Or can I expect to be making adjustments in that range?
The Hawkeoiler is a non-starter. With my memory I may just remember to keep the resevoir topped up on any of these systems, but there's no way I'll remember to keep pressing the button
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#5
Posted 30 December 2006 - 04:39 am
Yes, within that range you'll have to check the flow rate and adjust accordingly.
#6
Posted 30 December 2006 - 09:16 am
It also sounds like it will accept a wide range of oils which should reduce running costs. A mate of mine swears by chain saw oil, think about it.
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#7 Guest_Dragan_*
Posted 30 December 2006 - 11:15 am
Require only initial calibration. I know, this unit is expensive. I am little bit lazy and oblivious to keep adjusting the oil flow. That is a main reason why I use Pro Oiler. Pro Oiler requires a little modification, to be used with TDM900. One capacitor has to be removed from the junction box. With this modification Pro Oiler can be connected to speedo.
#8
Posted 30 December 2006 - 02:06 pm
If you go for the Scottoiler, buy a Dual Injector with it: This oils the chain from both sides, meaning you can set it leaner and still get better effect.
And never use chain-saw oil in an automtic oiler: It's too sticky and defies the cleaning effect of the oiler which is fresh oil dripping constantly.
Edited by robelst, 30 December 2006 - 02:10 pm.
#9
Posted 30 December 2006 - 02:51 pm
It also sounds like it will accept a wide range of oils which should reduce running costs. A mate of mine swears by chain saw oil, think about it.
That's what I thought. And it's easy to tailor to weather conditions, i.e., pop the button a couple extra times if it's raining hard. I heard gear oil works well too.
#10
Posted 30 December 2006 - 03:13 pm
#11
Posted 30 December 2006 - 03:29 pm
I have Pro-Oilers on 3 out of my 4 bikes, so either I get a good discount (which I don´t) or they must be good bits of equipment.
I´ve used Scottoilers in the past, and quite frankly, compared to the newer, modern stuff out there now, they are well past their use by date.
However, that said, on my installations, I´ve junked the Pro-Oiler twin nozzles and used the Scottoiler twin nozzles fed by the Pro-Oiler. Much neater and easier installation in my opinion. When I´m back from Germany in the new year, I´ll stick some pictures up if anyone wants to see the finished article.
Pro-Oiler ..... gets my vote everytime.
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#12
Posted 30 December 2006 - 04:40 pm
Cant say anything about the other two but if i could get a Chaintec oiler again i would as there are no pipes to fit on to the carbs etc.And a lot simpiler.
so if anybody comes across these Chaintec oilers (think they are not made anymore) let me know
#13
Posted 30 December 2006 - 06:51 pm
As you can see in the link posted earlier in this topic the Scottoiler uses about twice to four times as much oil as a CLS or Pro-oiler, because it is pretty primitive and has no automatic compensation or sensors for temperature or speed. The CLS and Pro-oiler have a range of around 11.000 km with a 250 ml bottle (the CLS 250 ml bottle fits perfectly under the TDM saddle). That's a pretty good range I think and should have no worries on an extended vacation trip. The standard scottoiler kit has a resevoir good for only 400 to 800 miles before it's totally empty. On vacation that could mean filling it up completely every two days. So you need a big bottle of scottoil with you or the touring version which includes a 400 ml reservoir (6000 km - 12.000 km). The touring version of scottoiler is 94 pounds. Because of the oil consumption you need about 30 pounds of scottoil in 50.000 km. So the difference in price over 50.000 km is now only 25 pounds (and if you add the dual injectors for 20 pounds which come standard with the pro-oiler, although not really needed, the difference is very small).
To save those 25 pounds (or nill) you'll have a huge 400 ml tank hanging of the rear on the numberplate and a system that has to be re-adjusted (by guess and experience) constantly. The viscosity of the oil, when the temperature outside changes from 10 to 30 degrees Celsius (not very uncommon to happen within a few hours when riding in the mountains or on very clear summer days), changes 410%! Even if the temperature outside will change from just 20 to 25 degrees C, the driprate in a scottoiler will double! Not every efficient...
I don't know how complex the installation to the vacuum system on the TDM is, but the CLS just hooks up to the battery (right next to that bottle) and that's it. If you go for the CLS speed, you just need to install the reed switch and magnet to the rear sprocket. The CLS system is amazingly simple. The oil goes from the reservoir through an electronic unit which is already setup and completely, weatherproof, sealed. To adjust the flow while riding (if you wish, for instance during rain) the installation of the included turn knob is very simple. No programming is needed, just need to adjust the driprate once depending on the temperature (follow the included table), after that the electronic unit will automatically adjust the magnetic switch depending on temperature.
So the consequence with the CLS system (pro-oiler as well, just more complex to set up) is a much more efficient system, a cleaner rear wheel, no in-between adjusments needed, the system won't be too lean (dry chain) or too rich (puddles). No need for a huge reservoir or oil refill tank on a trip. No need to fiddle with the engine's vaccuum. The CLS is SIMPLER in operation and just as simple (probably simpler!) for installation.
A double chain injector is also not needed with the right oil. I discussed this with Heiko, the CLS guy, since my pro-oiler (Sprint ST) had two injectors as standard and the CLS has one. Like with different oils he tested the dual injectors and found it wasn't really needed. His setup is amazingly user friendly and very simple in operation and installation, while having the same efficiency as the pro-oiler (probably even better, since the CLS oil is better and the setup has already been done, you don't need to program everything).
So in the end the cost difference is not that big if you add up the stuff that comes standard with or isn't needed with CLS / Pro-oiler. Running costs are higher with a scottoiler and the operation is also not as simple (fit, calibrate and forget) as with CLS / Pro-oiler. In my opinion the scottoiler was a nice invention at the time, but is now extremely primitive compared to CLS / Pro-oiler. I have no idea why scottoiler never updated their design... I guess that's what Heiko (CLS) and Pablo (Pro-oiler) thought as well when they designed their kits.
Pro-oiler, rather complex to install and program (once setup and calibrated you can forget about it though):
Hopes this helps...
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#14
Posted 30 December 2006 - 09:29 pm
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#15
Posted 30 December 2006 - 10:39 pm
You can go directly here for English: http://www.cls200.com or click on the union jack pic on the .de site.
The CLS Speed is the CLS200 plus a wire installed on the electronic box with a reed switch sensor on the end. You stick the provided magnet on your rear sprocket and mount the sensor in line (I suggest you do that after mounting the drip arm) with the magnet. That way the unit also knows speed and will drip faster at 180 km/h or slower at 20 km/h through traffic.
The Pro Oiler can also be connected to a reed switch, or it can be connected to the pulse feed wire for the electronic speedo (you have to program the system after that to teach it how many pulses there are per rotation), that's how I had it done with my Sprint ST. I installed the CLS myself, was simpler and easier than I thought.
The speed compensation, together with the temperature compensation, makes it so different from the scottoiler which has neither. Both have a significant effect on efficiency, as explained earlier.
In the end all systems make your chain last a LOT longer though, it's just that a scottoiler either takes constant adjusting or, when you just put it on a pretty rich setting, uses many times more oil.
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#16
Posted 31 December 2006 - 12:42 am
> Automatic Chain Lubrication Systems, Britain vs USA vs Germany?
If you think the pro-oiler is from the USA, you'd be wrong (like you need them in the US when you put your belt driven Harley or ZX6R on the trailer behind the "truck"). Pablo is the guy running the one-man pro-oiler setup, he's English...living in Belgium. So I don't know what you'd call it then... Uropeen? And do Englanders still consider Scottland (or Wales for that matter) part of the kingdom?
I think the subject line would be more correct like this:
> Automatic Chain Lubrication Systems, Scottland vs United Belgdom vs Germany?
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#17
Posted 31 December 2006 - 01:20 am
After losing the Ashes we prefer considering it the only part of the kingdom
#18
Posted 31 December 2006 - 08:54 am
> Automatic Chain Lubrication Systems, Britain vs USA vs Germany?
I think the subject line would be more correct like this:
> Automatic Chain Lubrication Systems, Scottland vs United Belgdom vs Germany?
It's Scotland, Wales and don't forget Northern Island that make Britain Great, the thread also includes Hawkeoiler which is from the US of A so should it be
> Automatic Chain Lubrication Systems, 'Great Scot' land (UK) vs USA vs United Belgdom vs Germany?
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#19
Posted 31 December 2006 - 11:08 am
That's sounds even better .
Got an idea here, don't know what people think about it. I met the CLS guy during the international V-strom gathering in Kulmbach, north of Nuremberg. He had an open tent set up on the parking lot during the entire weekend and was installing CLS systems, for riders who were interested, on the spot (probably installing for free, don't know though).
I know he already has TDM experience, since he's been active on the German TDM forum www.tdm-forum.net. Anyway, it's very easy to install it on a TDM. I could perhaps ask him if he would like to set up a stand during the RTT07 weekend or so? It could save folks a lot on shipping and potential installation problems / costs. I guess he's got plenty of potential buyers. I assume the German TDM forum guys have been contacted about the RTT07 as well?
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#20
Posted 31 December 2006 - 05:46 pm
Apologies to Pablo for placing him on the wrong continent and to Scottoiler, though to be fair I'm not the first Englishman to claim as Scottish invention as an English one. My scottish friends regularly tell me that the Scots invented everything. As to what you call an Englishman living in Belgium? Lucky - great country and great beers.
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