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#1 jellypops

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 08:46 am

So what's the deal with the hagon shock for the 850 being longer ? Mine is a real pain in the are it makes mine just to tall for me and wind some peload off so it sinks a bit more then you can't set the rider sag properly ! Bit of a cock up on hagons part ain't it 😕Ive used hagon shocks for years and never had any problems but this is pissing me off.So can the OE shock be rebuilt? If so I'll buy a knackered OE item and have it rebuilt and sell the hagon,any body got a knackered OE shock and fancy a deal ?😃

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 09:09 am

So what's the deal

 

5% extra?


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 10:47 am

So what's the deal with the hagon shock 

 

Total disregard for the motorcycle, rider and the efforts Yamaha made to make the bike work in the first place. I've been slagging off this piece of TDM aftermarket shoite forever.

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 10:53 am

5% was a guess....just incase someone was gonna rely on it fur calkeelations.


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 02:35 pm

Like I say I've never had a problem wit hagon on the whole but this is a right load of b!llox,I believe its about half inch longer which translates to one and half inches or so overall seat height,mine gunnar have to go I like my bike set up right and be able to touch the floor comfortably

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 03:36 pm

Rumour has it someone in Scotland used to refurb the oem shock, but there seems to be no actual proof of this that I'm aware of.  The spring can be replaced provided you can get the 2 nuts removed, but they tend to sieze to the shock over time.


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Posted 03 February 2015 - 04:58 pm

I had the same trouble when I fitted a Hagon to my first Mk2 about 10 years ago now .........I complained about it because I'm a shortarse too

 

Fecking thing had me on tiptoe plus I had to weld a bit to the bottom of the side stand  to stop it leaning too far.

 

They did offer to shorten mine, but reckoned the performance would be impaired - so I stuck with it.

 

It's a pain in the arse though, & they've had quite a few complaints - so it's nothing new to them - they really should have had it sorted by now, just can't be bothered .

 

Hagons are very basic anyway, & on the BMW's they have a reputation for collapsing ......Try the refurbishment route ......if anyone can do it, these can ........

 

http://firefoxracing...hock-servicing/

 

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 05:53 pm

I've just done my side stand it looked like it would fall over and was a bit of a pull to lug it up ,I'll give them a call thanks,there's a guy in Bridlington where I live who reckons he can do it if he can get it apart ,if this fails I'll eBay it and buy another ☺

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 07:35 pm

Kais are a good suspension company they are near Leigh or Atherton give them a ring. The more places you try a better chance you will have of finding a solution.
My OEM shock works perfectly I am waiting for it to pack up so I will have an excuse to buy a Wilbers to match my front springs.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 10:29 am

I just fitted a YSS shock and it was 10mm longer than standard even though it was advertised a normal.

 

I am ok with this as it will quicken up the slow front end.

 

But any manufacturer should make it as per original I know YSS offer a range of lengths



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 12:29 pm

That's interesting about the YSS.  I was leaning that way because they actually list different lengths for the Mk1 and Mk2.  Hagons only sells one shock for both, which is why Mk1 owners end up with a higher seat height after swapping in a Hagons.  Looks like I might need to save some pennies for a HyperPro, Yacugar, or Wilbers.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 06:03 pm

 Hagons only sells one shock for both, which is why Mk1 owners end up with a higher seat height after swapping in a Hagons. 

 

Hagons rise the Mk2 also. I thought Mk1 and Mk2 shocks were the same.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:33 pm

Hagon do make a shock approx 20mm shorter as well. I know because I have one. 

I bought it  to try and lower bike a bit.

I had not thought about difficulty of lifting bike onto centre stand, so it is still sitting in garage.



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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:31 pm

YSS lists the 1991-1995 as 300mm and the 1996-2001 as 310mm.  I believe the Hagons sells one shock for the entire period that is about 310mm long, so it raises the Mk1 seat height by about 30mm.  Yours is the first I've heard about YSS raising the seat height, especially on a Mk2.  Is it possible the difference is just in the spring or preload settings?



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Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:13 am

Interesting that YSS quote as different lengths.  I fitted a Mk2 shock to my Mk1 and it was definitely the same length.  I later fitted a Hagon and got a local shop to weld a an extension on the bottom of the sidestand, however it was a big improvement over the standard shocks, especially when carrying a pillion or luggage.

 

Have you considered getting some of these if it makes the bike too tall?

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 01:33 pm

I had a hagon on m mk1, i took it to revs racing and they offerd to fit a softer spring, but you can`t get the big castellated nut thing off, they did wonder what rate spring hagon were using, i was going to cut the top mount to make it a bit thinner and weld it up after, then I got a std one off of here



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Posted 05 February 2015 - 09:14 pm

 
Have you considered getting some of these if it makes the bike too tall?
http://www.ebay.co.u...ff14=108&ff19=0[/quote]

Er No funnily enough I havent lol

What do you mean cut the top mount ssray ?

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Posted 06 February 2015 - 10:19 am

Interesting that YSS quote as different lengths.  I fitted a Mk2 shock to my Mk1 and it was definitely the same length.  I later fitted a Hagon and got a local shop to weld a an extension on the bottom of the sidestand, however it was a big improvement over the standard shocks, especially when carrying a pillion or luggage.

 

Have you considered getting some of these if it makes the bike too tall?

http://www.ebay.co.u...ff14=108&ff19=0

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 12:52 am

YSS lists the 1991-1995 as 300mm and the 1996-2001 as 310mm.  I believe the Hagons sells one shock for the entire period that is about 310mm long, so it raises the Mk1 seat height by about 30mm.  Yours is the first I've heard about YSS raising the seat height, especially on a Mk2.  Is it possible the difference is just in the spring or preload settings?

 

Hagon do make a shock approx 20mm shorter as well. I know because I have one. 

I bought it  to try and lower bike a bit.

I had not thought about difficulty of lifting bike onto centre stand, so it is still sitting in garage.

 

A few years back I ordered a new Hagon shock for my '93 850 that was shorter as well. It works great with the 17" front wheel. I ordered it off ebay and shipped here to the U.S. I can't find a listing one on ebay now but for sure they made one to lower the mk1's.



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 06:07 pm

I bought a hagon probably around 8 or 9 years ago, i had heard they made a longer shock as well as the standard so i rang them, they said they made the longer shock cause thats what they thought should have been on the bike, but did say they would supply the standard length.   I went for the hagon longer one, fitted it raised the height just over an inch which suited me.   The handling and lean improved dramatically and is still great 




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