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#1 dapleb

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 12:27 pm

So me'sen and Tishabelle decided to gofer a quick pootle this mornin. We got to macaroni woods and she asked if I wanted to have a walk. Nah says oi cous it was her ma's birthday = CAKE!!

So we got back to her ma's house and then bike no starty!!! Hmm it turned over very slowly.

Having read dgods recent post and havin me panears on oi decided not to do me solo bump trick and got wan of her brudders to give I a push. On gettin back to lockup (lights off) the boike started fine!!

Is this the start of the famous "unreliable" rectumfrier after 26 years use? I know I have an udder one somewhere but couldn't find it!

Anyways... In a rush to get back to the cake I jumped on Dave and .... Lost a ticken tocken lense and then the ignition switch went intermittent and made him cut out. Grrr.

Anyways safely at cake. No Haynes here but any idea as to what I can test without needing any electrical skills pleasey?
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:00 pm

Oi fink ya godda give da batt a roight good lick daps.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:45 pm

Are you positive?
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:50 pm

Terned over very slowly PK?,  wonder if there is excess fuel in the cylinders labouring the starter motor (hydra locked?)


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:53 pm

Nah dont stink so. It had only been stopped a few mins. It were runnin fine. No whack loike pressure lock.... Just no power.
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:56 pm

starter relay buzzing atall atall ?  


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 02:00 pm

Nah. It turned over but just right slow. Started fine from lock up so pretty sure its a non charging problemo. Battery is not even two years old so dont think its that.

Guess oil try and hunt down the spare rectumfrier ... Its in a blue and yellow carrier bag if that helps!!!
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 02:05 pm

Nah. It turned over but just right slow. Started fine from lock up so pretty sure its a non charging problemo. Battery is not even two years old so dont think its that.

Guess oil try and hunt down the spare rectumfrier ... Its in a blue and yellow carrier bag if that helps!!!

 

How TF do yew remember that den?   when ya say started foine from lockup do ya mean a place of safe keeping or have I got the wrong end of the Battenberg? 

 

don't suppose ya have access to a multi meter to test the voltage?


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 02:19 pm

check that engine earth cable too...

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 03:05 pm

I remember the useless stuff like the bag!

Yeah I rode it back to lock up/safe keeping area after bump start. . And when back safe in the safe area, it started fine. Only difference from earlier were the loights were off on ride back to lockup.

Have very posh multimeter but wouldn't know where to stick it. :-)

I will see if I can find some engine earth. There is some exhaust mud so its prolly near that. Ta.
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 04:57 pm

You could check the battery voltage at rest and then with engine running.  Think you can get a reading from the starter solenoid if ya can't access the battery/ too busy eating cake. :)

 

Intermittent problems are a pain though.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 05:21 pm

Oh poo. Found spare rectumfrier, labelled by me as mk1! But it snot going to fit.

Haynes says rectumfrier on left . . nope its on the right. And that air filter needs removing to access connector. . Nope its right there under rhs side panel! Mine has 4 pins not 5 as the spare does. Mine also has a separate wire with screw attachment to rectumfrier.

Not got my very posh multimeter with me SR and being colour blind prolly best I dont try and ewes it!

Mine is half the size of the spare I have!
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 05:50 pm

So just did another test.

Ran boike for 5mins no lights. Turn off. Turn on ... Vroom.

Ran boike for 5mins with lights. Turn off. Turn on .... Ruh ruh ruh. No starty!

Also noticed thats lights used to brighten slightly when revs picked up from idle. But now the lights dont change brightness at all.
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 06:52 pm

Easy fix...measure the AC volts into the regulator...all 3 phases getting a comfortable 20V or more then replace the regulator, otherwise replace the stator   (after checking all plugs and connections of the circuit first


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 09:19 pm

You must have the reeeeeally oldy stylee regulator Daps.  Think Electrex do a direct relacement wan if you want to swap like for like.


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 03:24 am

Yup it seems loike a better idea to be able to unplug it at the regulator hey!! And being half the size hasn't stopped it working for 26/7 years ... Then they decided to make it twice the size and make it more difficult to unplug!!

So the electrex RR 98 that I didn't get because it would involve buggering around with wiring is actually a straigt swap (other than the double size and foot too much of cable)? http://www.electrexw...D=926?a7_21RR98

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 04:14 am

Strange that, I was sure Electrex used to sell an identical one to yours.

 

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:00 pm

Oil beef hooked !

 

Probably the mint jelly eater syndrome : some jelly felt inside the main switch and contaminated  the inside.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:34 pm

Thanks SR. So a rr98 wouldn't just be a plug in replacement?

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Crazy French man. Mint jelly is for beginners. Mint sauce is for the experienced only, it makes your rectumfrier last 26years!!!. I will send some when you are ready. First you must be at one with the jelly. :-)
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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:13 pm

Rectumfrier gets my vote.  I always found the easiest place to take a voltage reading on the Mk1 was from the battery of the starter relay, and earth the other one somewhere on the frame. When I replaced it on mine I found it wasn't in the same place as the Haynes reckoned, and on conferring with others on here wasn't in the same place as some other Mk1s, so it maybe they changed the spec somewhere in the Mk1 life time.


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