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#1 trampa

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:20 PM

I've had enough to sound like I'm spinning the back tyre when moving on quickly and will see if I can replace them
that rubber on the back tyre, what are they called? has anyone described the procedure to replace them?
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:46 PM

huh.gif huh.gif If you mean a screeching noise when you move off quickly then it's the clutch making the noise - if not then I haven't a clue what you're talking about.................

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:01 AM

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:30 AM

i think you mean the cush drive rubbers that sit in and around the rear sprocket carrier.
sounds more like your clutch is making the howl tho.
only when you take off hard ?
not when you take off easy and feed the throttle in?
some TRX have the same problem.
it turns out the clutch basket cannot clear itself of oil quickly enough, so much so that Yamaha brought out its own modification which involves drilling relief holes in designated positions around the basket to achieve this.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:28 AM

Hang on this fella is talking my language .


When you go off on that bike quick, them rubber things, them that make the noise, right.. it aint them.

Its is that oil in the clutch spinner.

Use that side dipper to see oil,

change oil it needs. you have might.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:34 AM

clutch never feels like sleeping
I've been suggested the "cushdrive rubbers" may need replacing
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:52 AM

I have not heard of the 'clutch screech' affecting the 9er?
But then not heard of the cush drive rubbers screeching either.
Hope you get it sorted.

I do have the details of the fix for the 850 clutch as it's something the race bike needs, will be happy to mail them to anyone that needs them or attach them to a post if it's not already in the knowledge base?
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:11 AM

What you describe is almost certainly the clutch squeal.
It isn't the clutch slipping, as above its to do with oil in the clutch not getting out quick enough.

You'll tend to hear it more when the bike is cold at the beginning of journey's. Once it's warmed up the oil is thinner so gets out quicker.

If however it's confirmed as the cushdrive rubbers you can see them here:

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Item number 5 (x6 required if you're going to replace them)
Yamaha part number is 5EA-25364-00, listed as 11.29 (per item from AJSutton's)

Edited by dmmsta, 19 April 2012 - 09:16 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE(dmmsta @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Item number 5 (x6 required if you're going to replace them)
Yamaha part number is 5EA-25364-00, listed as 11.29 (per item from AJSutton's)

Each - so times 3

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:46 AM

QUOTE(mh1848 @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Each - so times 3


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:59 AM

Now I'm confused...

The drawing shows 6x item number 5??

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:32 AM

QUOTE(dmmsta @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What you describe is almost certainly the clutch squeal.
It isn't the clutch slipping, as above its to do with oil in the clutch not getting out quick enough.

You'll tend to hear it more when the bike is cold at the beginning of journey's. Once it's warmed up the oil is thinner so gets out quicker.

If however it's confirmed as the cushdrive rubbers you can see them here:

(just click the image to link to the webpage its from)

Item number 5 (x6 required if you're going to replace them)
Yamaha part number is 5EA-25364-00, listed as 11.29 (per item from AJSutton's)


thanks
let me see if I understand you right
you're saying that it could be dense oil escaping from the clutch disks making that noise?
I've used car's semi synthetic oil last time, but had that from before and the oil was from a bike shop (although I don't know what they used when servicing)

if that's all and no harm is done I won't bother then
clutch has never missed a blink, and I've tested it rolleyes.gif

will disassemble and check the rubber under the sprocket in case too
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE(Quilmore @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thanks
let me see if I understand you right
you're saying that it could be dense oil escaping from the clutch disks making that noise?


No, its the fact that when the bike is standing for a long time the oil is squashed out of between the plates . the thinner / older the oil is the easier it is to squeeze out.

So first time you set off there is no oil and you get the metal on metal screech.

New oil is thicker and tends to stay between the plates.

The easiest way to see if this is what is happening, is to operate the clutch lever a few times before you start moving, this will allow the oil to get between the plates and there should be no squeel.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE(Geordie Guy @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The easiest way to see if this is what is happening, is to operate the clutch lever a few times before you start moving, this will allow the oil to get between the plates and there should be no squeel.

Simples, good.gif

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I understand you now
the thing is, it usually isn't the first time as such
it is the first one on a rush usually
in the morning I'd be leaving the house, get out of the estate until a traffic light
that is about half a mile
only when (if) leaving the traffic light on a rush I'll get it
very similar when leaving work
usually by the time it happens the temperature needle has moved from the bottom, a third of the way to the usual position I'd say

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE(MadAd @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have not heard of the 'clutch screech' affecting the 9er?

I can confirm it does (just like many other wet-clutch bikes). The "freshness" of the oil doesn't seem to affect it, the bike being cold does. I guess when it happens, the bike isn't quite warmed up yet and you are just pushing it a bit too hard smile.gif
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:40 PM

Ah, "they all do that sir". Mine's been dong it when cold and being perhaps a little brisk pulling away since it was new (now on about 46k). It does seem to be a little worse when it's coming up for an oil change, but that could also be my imagination!

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:53 PM

A few peeps have done a clutch basket mod to stop this on the 9'er. I also think the old oil can contribute, if its old it might be worth a change particularly with hutt humm JASO MA JAsooooooo MaaaAAaaaAAA JASO MaaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAAAAA.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE(Geordie Guy @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, its the fact that when the bike is standing for a long time the oil is squashed out of between the plates . the thinner / older the oil is the easier it is to squeeze out.So first time you set off there is no oil and you get the metal on metal screech.New oil is thicker and tends to stay between the plates.The easiest way to see if this is what is happening, is to operate the clutch lever a few times before you start moving, this will allow the oil to get between the plates and there should be no squeel.Simples, good.gif Ivan
Don't get the metal against metal bit Ivan - the plates alternate between fabric and metal............................ blink.gif
QUOTE(dapleb @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A few peeps have done a clutch basket mod to stop this on the 9'er. I also think the old oil can contribute, if its old it might be worth a change particularly with hutt humm JASO MA JAsooooooo MaaaAAaaaAAA JASO MaaaaaAAAAaaaaAAAAAAA.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE(dandywarhol @ Thu 19th Apr 2012, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't get the metal against metal bit Ivan - the plates alternate between fabric and metal............................ :blink:Quilly


That explains why its a squeek rather than a scrape.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:15 AM

Agree sounds clutch / oil related...
Had similar with rotax single I bought .. oil was old rather than dirty, turns out bike had been little used last few years.. (can semi synth separate out ??) Couple short oil changes seemed to work... also be careful if using car oil, avoid those with additives common in car oil
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