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[Saga Lout]

"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living"

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she’s worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare system that she’s being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.



Put me in charge . . .

Put me in charge of benefit payments. I'd get rid of cash payments and provide vouchers for 50kg bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese, basic sanitary items and all the powdered milk you can use. If you want steak, burgers, takeaway and junk food, then get a job.


Put me in charge of the NHS. The first thing I'd do is to get women to have birth control implants.
Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce, use drugs, drink alcohol or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of local authority housing. Ever live in military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.
Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried.
If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.


Put me in charge of compulsory job search. You will either search for employment each week no matter what the job or you will report for community work.
This may be clearing the roadways and open spaces of rubbish, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you.
We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your dooff dooff stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good..”


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realise that all of the above is voluntary.
If you want our hard earned cash and housing assistance, accept our rules.
Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin someone's "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards those for continuing to make bad choices.


AND While you are on benefit income you no longer have the right to VOTE!
For you to vote would be a conflict of interest..... If you want to vote, then get a job.

[3vd]

Here here!

[tdm850rider]

[Studley Ramrod]

Kids eh !


What about the guy who, after 35+ yrs of hard graft working 50+ hours a week earning the minimum wage and paying taxes and Ni contributions, and not earning enough to put any money into a pension pot, or buy his own home, finds himself without a job and gets treated like this ?

No doubt this girl will marry a wealthy person then divorce him and live a life of luxury at his expense.

[TKH]

While I support what this is saying, Mr Ramrod has a point.......

[divvxj]

up here inthe north east of scotland , the locals are aye greetin "therse nay jobs" but where i work there is more poles starting every day, example , 3 poles and one local from aberdeen start on monday morning for health and safety meeting , shown all the fire exits , frst aid room , and given new kit , boiler siuts and wellies and safety hats , tuesday, start at 6 in the morning , 20 minutes past 6 and the local from aberdeen asks where the toilet is and off he goes , never to be seen again! , i suppose if i was going to uproot and move to another country i would at least give it a real go in a new job

[Baron]

She'd get my vote every time, no question!

[celticbiker]

While Studley does have a point, I don't think the hypothetical person would object.
Personally I'd rather go and work every day than sit at home starting at the TV.

[dmmsta]

I think the other thing based on the young ladies view is that if we lived in her world those that were affected by situations highlighted by SR would actually be taken care of more, because there would be more money in the care pot because the slackers wouldn't be running it dry.

I doubt she'd hit a man when he's down after contributing so much for so long.

More than happy to sign up for the ideas in the initial statement...

[Studley Ramrod]

We're all Plebs in it together !

Where the kid is wrong is in her tarring of everyone on benefits with the same brush. She should be directing her suggestions to the minority who make a career out of living on benefits. Then I might agree with her principle, unless she's a politician of course.

The vast majority of peeps getting benefits, excluding pensioners, either don't have a job to go to, or can only get part-time employment, it's not their fault that the banks went to the wall.

And why is Sir Sugar getting a £200 winter fuel allowance and my local MP John Mann claiming expenses for chocolate hobnobs ?

[howie]

If you are fit and healthy what,s wrong with working for your benefits. this does not apply to pensioners who have done their share of graft. the problem is there are too many yoofs that won,t work if they can live on handouts,and do gooders saying that immigrants cant possibly live on less than 30 grand, why the hell not i and most of the british pensioners get by on a lot less than that and we have paid our taxes, the country is run by a load of pricks that have never done a days work in their lives this includes labour cons lib dems and all the rest of the tw-t-.My daughter is a nurse who has been told that her ward has got to lose 4.3 nurses and they are cutting available beds from 36 to 10 at weekends what the hell are they going to do with the other 26 paitents chuck them out in the street till monday!!!
(phew i feel a lot better for that)

[ChrisG]

While Studley does have a point, I don't think the hypothetical person would object.
Personally I'd rather go and work every day than sit at home starting at the TV.

Having spent several months on Jobseekers a few years ago I can agree with that, although having to do voluntary work would have eaten in to the time available to build my greenhouse that the jobseekers paid for

I was amazed at how little the job centre expected you to do, on a week where I'd done nothing more than browse a few job websites to see if there was anything interesting, the girl in the job centre commented that I'd done quite a lot! On the other hand there were several people I overheard in there who were desperate for any job, however the the way the system works if they accept a bit of low paid temporary work they can end up worse off than not doing the work as they can lose more jobseekers than they gain in employment, which is a crazy situation.

The other problem with voluntary/community work is you need to employ people to manage it, and they're not the same people who'd youd otherwise be paying to do that job (ie the guys the council already employ to pick up rubbish aren't the right people to organise a group of uninterested people to pick up litter)

[jdelfino]

-I'd get rid of cash payments and provide vouchers for 50kg bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese, basic sanitary items and all the powdered milk you can use.

-The first thing I'd do is to get women to have birth control implants.

-Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine.

-You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.

-Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried.

-You will either search for employment each week no matter what the job or you will report for community work.

-This may be clearing the roadways and open spaces of rubbish, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you.

-If you want our hard earned cash and housing assistance, accept our rules.

-AND While you are on benefit income you no longer have the right to VOTE!

wonder if SHE knows that Hitler, Stalin and other assholes tried that before..

[MattG]

There should be Unemployment benefit which you have to have worked and paid taxes for at least 12 months to get then there should be subsistence benefit which is JUST enough to live on and no more. This anyone can get but has some of the young lady's conditions on it.

Something I notice from my work - 90% of the people who call ambulances with little or no reason are unemployed. When we politely ask why they didn't get themselves to A&E or their doctor we are often told "it's my right to call an ambulance"

There are far too many people who want their "rights" but have no understanding of the responsibilities that go with them!

[MattG]

Oh yes, I can't believe how many of these people on benefits have large, flat screen TVs, Sky and smoke. I gave up Sky and smoking because they were too expensive. I've never had a large TV.
I suppose I should own up to having a hot hatch and three bikes though!!

[Studley Ramrod]

What an amazing coincidence ! People in the USA were saying EXACTLY the same thing about the unemployed a year ago !

http://www.wireclub....FZKAM8C12cOYo30

[rathairthir]

She sounds like a previous prime minister if you ask me........

[Screw]

I have to say that I share some of her views, although I agree that some points are taken a little too far. I have no issue with paying benefits to those who are actually in need of them, however, those benefits should be paid in food, clothing and accommodation vouchers, not beer, fags and Sky TV vouchers! Those people who are actually at the point of NEEDING benefits would, I am sure, be glad to have food, clothing and shelter. There is too much sense of entitlement, and not enough sense of responsibility.
I am also in favour of temporary sterilisation of people on benefits - if you can't afford to feed yourself and put a roof over your own head, you should not be magnifying the problem purely to increase your own income.
This particular issue riles me, as we have a local "lady" who has 15 children, and lives on benefits. I did a rough calculation, and with the benefits she receives, in the way of healthcare, dentistry, accommodation, school uniforms for her kids along with actual monetary benefits, she is "earning" the equivalent of over £85,000!
I have no problem with people having as many children as they like, as long as I am not having to pay for them!
Rant over!

[harvey krumpet]

I have to say that I share some of her views, although I agree that some points are taken a little too far. I have no issue with paying benefits to those who are actually in need of them, however, those benefits should be paid in food, clothing and accommodation vouchers, not beer, fags and Sky TV vouchers! Those people who are actually at the point of NEEDING benefits would, I am sure, be glad to have food, clothing and shelter. There is too much sense of entitlement, and not enough sense of responsibility.
I am also in favour of temporary sterilisation of people on benefits - if you can't afford to feed yourself and put a roof over your own head, you should not be magnifying the problem purely to increase your own income.
This particular issue riles me, as we have a local "lady" who has 15 children, and lives on benefits. I did a rough calculation, and with the benefits she receives, in the way of healthcare, dentistry, accommodation, school uniforms for her kids along with actual monetary benefits, she is "earning" the equivalent of over £85,000!
I have no problem with people having as many children as they like, as long as I am not having to pay for them!
Rant over!

Their are a number of parallels in this thread to the situation in NZ, I'm only quoting you Screw because I have personal experience of "baby benefiters". Familys pumping kids out, our future beneficiaries & criminals, being rehomed into ever larger & flasher houses. Being given vehicles that I could only dream of for the school & grocery run. Usually driven unregistered, unwarranted (mot) and by an unlicensed driver, one of the kids or a parent who is a serial drink driver & banned.
These familys are most often spotted in the benefit office mid morning on a Monday rioting for emergency handpouts.

In all fairness, the population everywhere is increasing & due to our insaitable consumer appetites for imported (cheap) products, the loss of heavy industry & mechanised farming, jobs are plummeting.

NZ has geographical & race issues to add spice to the problem.
Ultimately I think our elected gummints cannot do much more than treat the symptoms. Hard line policies lose votes.
Education & opportunity for our youth is paramount, even the thickest & laziest of people will choose to do a relatively menial job if it is available & the consequences of not doing it are far worse.
When we can grow brains, offer opportunity & remove excuses then we can implement "attitude" testing & really separate the dedicated bludgers in society.
A broad brush or heavy hammer penalises to many innocents.

Shop local!!

Oh, and Rome fell for the same reasons discussed in this thread. The wealthy & powerful did not give a f@#k while those that buoyed them & supplied their income suffered injustice & fear.

[harvey krumpet]

Er, an NZ perspective. Not my own.

My dog's secret...

My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day. He has his food prepared for him.He can eat whenever he wants.
His meals are provided at no cost to him.


He visits the Doctor once a year for his checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise.
For this he pays nothing, and nothing is required of him.





He lives in a nice neighborhood in a house that is much larger than he needs, but he is not required to do any upkeep.

He makes no contribution to the running or maintenance of the house.
If he makes a mess, someone else cleans it up.


He has his choice of luxurious places to sleep. He receives these accommodations absolutely free.


He is living like a King, and has absolutely no expenses whatsoever.


All of his costs are picked up by others who go out, work hard, and earn a living every day.





I was just thinking about all this, and suddenly it hit me like a brick in the head...


I think my dog is a Maori.