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#1 Deauman

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:28 am

I've been riding with a standard screen for the first 12 months of my TDM life and while I don't seem to suffer from the buffetting that some people report I do think that it is excesively noisy.  In spite of all the warnings on many posts here that a taller screen doesn't make things any better I saw a new MRA touring screen at a reasonable price and bought it.  It's all true.  It's just as noisy, just a slightly different noise.  I decided to investigate what was happening with the air flow over the screen and did this by the simple expedient of taping a few 20cm lengths of garden twine to the edge of the screen.  The way they move in the slipstream soon demonstrated that the air flow was very turbulent and was often directed downwards as the air came over the top of the screen.

 

Many new bikes have screens that allow air to flow up the back of the screen and this is the principle behind the Palmer Products brackets.  Being a cheapskate I am unwilling to shell out £80 for a couple of brackets so I cast my eye around the junk heap that masquerades as my garage to see what I could improvise.  I spotted a length of old rubber pipe, about 6mm bore but very thick walled which could be cut into short lengths for spacers to lift the screen from its normal position to let air flow up the back of it.  Then I needed to make some plates which could be attached using the original fixing points and then be drilled to take the new 40mm set screws to hold the spaced out screen.  I'm not much of a metal worker, wood is my thing, but I spotted the ideal material in the form of a piece of black square section guttering that any normal person would have thrown out 10 years ago.  It cuts easily with a tenon saw, can be planed, filed and drilled and has a matt black side which blends in very nicely with the fairing inners or a shiny black side which doesn't look out of place next to my black bodywork (I mean the bike's).

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It's a bit tricky getting everything lined up nicely but eventually a test ride showed some improvement but the bits of twine were still swirling all over the place.  The air was coming under the screen but not being directed upwards.  A black plastic plant pot provided the material to make a baffle to fit over the instrument panel and that transformed the air flow.  Now at all speeds above 20mph the bit of twine on the top edge of the screen rose to an angle of maybe 30 degrees above horizontal and stayed there completely steady.

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These pictures show the latest version where ths screen is moved up about 40 mm as well as out by about 25 mm.  The bracket for the lower central mounting point is made from a strip of guttering plastic bent to shape with a bit of gentle heat from a heat gun.  I think I could make a neater one!

 

There is still wind noise but the flow is smooth so the noise is more of a steady whooosh rather than the thrumming roar it was originally.  I will still wear earplugs even though short rides without them at speeds up to 80mph are possible without feeling I'm damaging my hearing.  And it is nice to hear the engine.  I think a lot of air comes round the screen and off the bodywork onto the helmet so I doubt it's possible to make things much quieter but I haven't finished fiddling about yet.

 

By the way I am 6 feet 1 inch tall with a longish back.  Anyone a few inches shorter would be able to easily get right behind this raised MRA screen.  Not that they would be able to see through it, its a very dark smoke.  I think I'll be able to use it next time there's a solar eclipse!

 



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:33 am

Looks neat. A few people have used washers to space their screen out a little bit and reckons it improves things, but I've not seen anyone try moving it out that far.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:37 am

You have done a great job. I have attacked the problem of noise with ear muffs. This comprises a band of leather which flops over me head and over both ears, with foam on the inside surface meeting the ears. Very effective, for me. An additional benefit is that the arms of my specs now press into the leather rather than my head.
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Posted 28 February 2014 - 12:13 pm

Good job, you took that idea to a new level.

 

Well done :good:


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 12:13 pm

:good:  Lookin' good too !


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 12:25 pm

Touratech do a contraption for the GS called tobinators they work on this principle by raising the base of the screen to allow the air to burst the bubble behind.
I must be very lucky as I have a givi touring screen on mine and the bike must be the quietist and most stable I have owned and I have had some machines.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:51 pm

Thats a great job, Deauman products  :good:  lets see how you put the plant pot on please...


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:15 pm

That looks good, keep us posted on developments.
Coincidentally, I was out today for a bit of a ride and I had earplugs in, didn't go above 75
but I thought this buffeting is a bit bad. (I've only had the bike a few weeks)
so bad that my ears were still ringing slightly for about 10 mins
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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:57 pm

 

so bad that my ears were still ringing slightly for about 10 mins

I am not sure helmet designers are doing enough to deal with noise suppression.
There seems to be an opportunity for one of them to lead the way.
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:09 pm

seen this job today, it's a real clever one, even got side spoilers to sort out the airflow.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 06:47 pm

Yep Deauman, very neat job :good:



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:51 pm

IMHO it needs M5 stainless flanged button screws and nyloc nuts to make it 100% pukka job.

Now I've seen it, I thought of drilling 12mm black Delrin rod to achieve the same effect. Trying out my MRA vario first though.


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 11:27 am

Hi all !

 

I was looking for some solutions for my new TDM 900 screen and the only thing I realized is that most of available screens on the are not perfect .

Some of my colegues from another forum tried to put screens which they bought from the guy who is making them and they were very satisfied.

The most important thing is that he always want to get a feedback from bikers , and he always want to improve his screens .

 

I sent a e-mail to him and he offered me not a new screen but some kind of a extension on original one. He said that most of TDM owners are very happy with that extension.

I ordered one and I will post here after test ride .

 

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 12:46 pm

I was looking for some solutions for my new TDM 900 screen and the only thing I realized is that most of available screens on the are not perfect .

Some of my colegues from another forum tried to put screens which they bought from the guy who is making them and they were very satisfied.

The most important thing is that he always want to get a feedback from bikers , and he always want to improve his screens .

I sent a e-mail to him and he offered me not a new screen but some kind of a extension on original one. He said that most of TDM owners are very happy with that extension.

I ordered one and I will post here after test ride .

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have any details of who this is and how/where we can contact him?  Got a link?


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 01:32 pm

The guy lives in Serbia , and he will send a screen to the third person in Croatia by bus . I know them only by nick names from forum .

There is a lot of satisfy customers from  that forum so I also decided to try his product .

 

 

 

He posted few pictures for other bikes and it is really good work .

 

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 07:00 pm

Here's an update on my quest for a quieter life.  The first attempts were a definite improvement  but not quite good enough.  I reasoned that if the airflow up the back of the screen smoothed out the flow over the front of the screen and helped to push it higher then trying to contain and accelerate that flow might improve things.  So I tried a baffle (that's the plant pot bit) which curved more towards the screen thinking that would speed up the flow and I tried closing off the gaps at the sides of the screen with more pieces of plastic but it all made things worse.  I eventually found a baffle shape which didn't induce any thrumming noise which was fine for most  of the time but I still needed to crouch down a bit to get into a quieter zone which was ok for a short while but not comfortable enough for a long stretch of motorway.  I had some perspex left over from a double glazing project so I thought I would make an MRA Vario type deflector to try and raise the quiet zone a bit.  The result was better than I expected.  It is now much quieter, I can ride comfortably at 80 without ear plugs (although I will still wear them if I'm going any distance) and I can ride with my flip front up at up to 60 mph.

 

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The deflector is screwed to two painted wooden mounts which are held to the screen with double sided tape.  If that doesn't sound very secure you'd be surprised how difficult it is to remove them.  The perspex is cut with a fine jigsaw blade and bent using a heat gun (paint stripper).

 

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So for the moment I'm happy.  I can now hear my engine at any speed.  Spray from damp roads is deflected over my visor and I'm hoping that will be apply to small flies as well.  The downside is that it's not exactly pretty (but the front of a TDM was never a thing of beauty) and there is a bit more of a sail effect in strong winds but the reduction in noise is worth it.  Now as Leehenty says I need some neater screws to finis it off.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 01:40 pm

Hi all !

 

Sorry Deauman for using Your topic , but I would like to keep all solution in one place for future users .

 

Today I received a screen extension and I it is already fitted on place . The good thing is that original screen stay on place and I can put or remove extension in 5 min.

I am very excited and I wait for weekend because I have been planning a longer ride . After that ride I will have more informations for rewiew of my screen extension .

 

Visually ... it looks great . Here are few photos.

 

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 04:09 pm

Some realy good work carried out by both of you :badgerrock: .

I would love to hear from some one who is 5.11 same as me who has a simple replacement which works perfectly.

would  your contact in serbia like to do some for us over here in England ? what did it cost you in euro?.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:49 pm

I am 6 foot tall , and I must test that screen in various conditions before I recommend it to anyone . I wlll try to contact him , and check for any information You guys need.



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 05:54 pm

To continue with the thread hijacking, here is my latest effort to reduce wind blast...

Its a Tenere screen mounted on the standard screen using custom alloy brackets and some careful drilling.

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