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#1 rustyscrew

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 08:28 pm

well lads iv finally cracked. last few times i was out for a spin me betsy (1993 tdm 850 3vd, matt blacked,frame done a baby blue, two into one micron can thats loud as f. straight handle bars thats got 3 inch risers, and adjustable shock on rear that rose rear up 3 inches from the standard one which was knackered). has not been kind ,in last 8 months i have probably done 500 kms because there is some lecci issue. i have put two standard shunt type 4 pin reg /rec and a new coil also, the coil is the one which has two pin connector but has two sparkplug wires exiting, instead of what appears to be  the standard two coils which has 1 sparkplug wire exiting from each coil. i said i would fit a volt metre so that i could monitor the volts, wired up the v metre, wire running back to the  - on battery and tapped into + on wiring loom under front nose cone. found a wire which read same as battery and was dead with ignition turned off. i also ordered a new stator as i said it must be the cause of the problem, took it out and it was blackened, if memory serves i was getting 0.7 on the ohms on all 3 white wires, sourced a stator and regulator from a breaker, so second hand to save few bucks. 

stator arrived and inside and outer diameter were the same and same block connector, however the stator was 5 mil wider , and the reg/ rec was the 5 pin that looks like the rr98 reg/rec.i fitted the reg/rec if u can picture this,the 3 bottom pins are white,top pins are red on the left and what was the earth connector that was bolted in when bolting reg/rec on, i changed the connector  and goes on the right of the 5 pin. i fitted this new stator and was ticking over nicely at 14.1 volts at 1500 rpm on me new voltmetre.while having a multimetre connected directly to the battery to make sure the voltmetre was reading right. perfect or so i thought, put back all fairing . went for test spin, soon as i put it into gear , the bloody volt metre went out, and when i clutched it it came back. i had just wired into i presume the wire for sensors to make sure that wont start with stand down unless clutch pulled, so coulsd only monitor volts in neutral or clutch pulled( do not do this at home folks,wire into the ignition wires), went for spin anyhow, 3 miles in it started to stutter, i clutched and seen 16 and 17 volts, turned off for few min and she started again,went again through town slow moving traffic, under 3000 rpm it ran like dung, would be miss firing, unsure of volts, went out straight road and gunned it. rev metre went nuts but engine not doing any overreving, then just died, trailer ed it home and it startrd again no issues, giving out 14.1 volts. after few minutes of ticking over it was delivering 17 volts again through vothmetre,

what do any of you lads suggest i do next, i was thinking, get standard 4 pin connector and fit wires back to suit. 

could it be a timing issue as well as electy issue, how do i check the timing to ensure its right, any  links to it

would valve clearances cause bad  running to this degree. ill pop on few pictures when i get the chance

cheers lads and lassies in advance. i v owned betsy 2 years and i hope that it  will be a family heirloom, do not intend getting rid of her for a long time but its driving me ta drink.

 

 



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Posted 22 May 2016 - 08:36 pm

All I can think of is the 5mm wider stator, everything else you mention should be ok.


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Posted 22 May 2016 - 08:54 pm

thanks studley, i dont know what year model the stator from breaker came off,is reading 7 ohms right on all 3 wires, reason i ask is the old stator i took out was reading the exact same, even though it was scorched looking, 



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Posted 22 May 2016 - 09:21 pm

I suspect the stator is from a 900 (they're 26.5mm thick in the centre)...am surprised to hear it fits without the mounting screw heads fouling the flywheel.

 

It can generate more current than a standard one, in turn that could overload the standard regulator, but only if the regulator is having to power a lot of loads, or a flat battery.

 

Sounds like the regulator might have been toast from the start ?

 

Regards the coils, the mk1 only has 1 coil (mine does anyway), because it has a 360 degree crank


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Posted 22 May 2016 - 09:55 pm

yes, the only reason i mention the specific coils because i had issues ordering one before,after a week of a wait the wrong one arrived,and waiting another 10 days for proper. the stator from the breaker and reg/rec came from the same bike, had tdm 850 written on it, no guarantee it is in fact from a 850 but i will  check it tomorrow for the exact size. also of exact size of the old one. would this stator 5 mil bigger, with the 5 pin reg still produce too much current, and blow all in its path.i might throw in old stator and check its working. and order a reg rec 4 pin version. thanks for replies lads. iv been using this site for all my fixes, just bought a lift table to save the back etc. and planning on doin loads of work on bikes. but betsy will be me fav


battery is showing 12.65 volts after sitting for 3 days so suspect its a gud un



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Posted 22 May 2016 - 10:25 pm

It's not as straightforward as a larger stator producing more current...it depends on the load taken from the regulator...with no load on the regulator very little current flows from the stator....usually it's just enough to keep the regulator powered and active.

 

If the regulator supplied is the correct one for the stator then all is well, apart from the fact that it can't regulate very well once it's got hot.

 

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Posted 22 May 2016 - 11:22 pm

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It's not as straightforward as a larger stator producing more current...it depends on the load taken from the regulator...with no load on the regulator very little current flows from the stator....usually it's just enough to keep the regulator powered and active.

 

If the regulator supplied is the correct one for the stator then all is well, apart from the fact that it can't regulate very well once it's got hot.

 

Where do you live ?

 

just ordered two 4 pin reg/rec to have a spare, also ordered  new coil , said ill need one in the years to come, i like that  "apart from the fact that it can't regulate very well once it's got hot."



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Posted 22 May 2016 - 11:32 pm

Its symptomatic of silicon device breakdown....but im only making an assumption here. When cold the regulator works, but once warmed up and exposed to the higher volts created at higher revs then it begins breaking down

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Posted 23 May 2016 - 01:27 pm

thanks fixit and everyone.ill let ye know in week or so when new reg arrives, looking forward to a good auld blast to get rid of the cobwebs , ordered new plugs also, will measure the stators when i get home and someone might be able to identify which model its from, i might have a stator for someone if it works out





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