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#21 robelst

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 10:44 am

I think many people make the mistake going for a higher- rather than lower screen when they're not happy with the standard one. Higher screens may take some pressure off but rarely come without unpleasant side-effects.

It's all personal anyway: what works for one, is a headache for somebody else. At 6"5 the OE screen on my 850 works perfectly fine, speeds over 100 mph are no problem even for longer. However, when I duck my head it gets noisier so shorter people may be less impressed. Again, if higher screens cause buffeting, don't go even higher but try the opposite. You get used to a bit more pressure soon enough, but buffeting and noise will always annoy.

Leaving a slit under the screen can surely help releasing the vacuum on higher screens. However, I remember riding a Pan European in the rain, drops were gathering around the screen's lower openings and when they were big enough, flew right into my face: very unpleasant. It worked better on my old BMW R1100RT: The great thing of that bike is that its screen can be adjusted by a push on the button, therefore revealing (for me at last) a lower setting was far more pleasant than higher ones. yahoo.gif
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:56 am

QUOTE(Stuart-900 @ Fri 13th Apr 2007, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've never had to remove my screen, so please forgive the potentially daft question! From the above pictures, it looks like the bottom edge of the screen has a tongue on it, does this normally slot into a groove in the fairing to provide extra strength\support?

Just wondering, as if the screen is raised to reduce turbulence, then all the wind forces will have to be dealt with by just the mounting screws, rather than the entire circumference of the screen-fairing join.


I put the spacers in between the screw fixings, so there is 12 points of contact, when I screwed them in I just went untill they were tight, as the screws are in rubber gromets there is a bit of cushioning and give.

They're may be long term issues that only time will show.

But for me the riding experience is so different banana.gif .............. its worth taking a chance. blink.gif

Still waiting for any other experiments.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 12:17 pm

QUOTE(Pict @ Fri 13th Apr 2007, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Screen just beds flat - the "tongue" is just part of an essentially 2D outline. So your concern about strength of attachment is the same as mine, when I was talking about position of spacers and use of longer screws (which just go into brass-cored rubber cylinders that expand into fairing holes)

I am going to try this, I have standard screen, am approx 6' and have extended my handlebars up by 1"" and back by 5/8". Result...my neck has gone from a 16 1/2 to 19 1/2!! Alright I exagerate but you know what I mean.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 08:47 pm

The Yamaha FJR1300 also employs this technique - it doesn't have a seal all round it either.
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Posted 14 April 2007 - 07:48 am

QUOTE(Stunts @ Fri 13th Apr 2007, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Yamaha FJR1300 also employs this technique - it doesn't have a seal all round it either.


Neither does the V-strom, which in standard shape is very noisy too most owners. They either add an MRA flip, or cut it down enough and mount it in the lowest setting to make it more quiet (and the FJR screen, especially on the newest version, is perceived as very noisy...it's just too tall)...






Edited by E-njoy, 14 April 2007 - 07:49 am.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 07:26 pm

But for me the riding experience is so different banana.gif .............. its worth taking a chance. blink.gif

Still waiting for any other experiments.

Cheers, Ivan
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Tried it today,I am 5ft10 on a 03 900 with a touring screen (longer) from powerbronze, rock steady at 70 on me noggin , whereas had some buffeting previously ,got it to 90s but was not really able to say as was concentrating on the twisties. Was a brilliantly sunny calm day so look forward to trying it in other circs.
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 01:17 pm

[quote name='E-njoy' date='Sat 14th Apr 2007, 08:33 AM' post='36683']
Neither does the V-strom, which in standard shape is very noisy too most owners. They either add an MRA flip, or cut it down enough and mount it in the lowest setting to make it more quiet (and the FJR screen, especially on the newest version, is perceived as very noisy...it's just too tall)...

I used to ride an X9 500 which has an adjustable screen very similar to the V-strom, although that was completely noise free and windless. The interesting thing is that I used to get a blast of cold air in the back of my neck so bad that I used to velcro a peice of that wind stopper material in the back of my helmet legionaire style. good.gif
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 04:55 pm

I have been doing some highly non-scientific experimenting with three different screens I have:

Screen #1: An original Yamaha Touring screen, which I have cut down to 27 cm (10.63 inches) like this:



Screen #2: MRA Racing (double bubble) - like the one you find here.
The DB screen is 33 cm (12.99) tall

Screen #3: MRA Vario - the same as E-njoy have:


Screen #1 move most of the wind to my chest (I'm 184 cm/6.03 ft.), provide less helmet pressure and probably less noise (I don't notice the difference as I was wearing earplugs while "testing the screens...). More clean air with this screen, but not as much as expected. Still some buffeting/turbulence.

Screen # 2: The first I noticed was that the bike felt a lot more stable in the front end. Less wind pressure also, but still some buffeting/turbulence especially when riding behind cars. But that usually doesn't last long and when I pass the traffic the turbulence seems to go away for the most part.
Even though I use earplugs I also have a feeling that I get less noise around the helmet.

Screen #3: More noise it seems against the helmet. Raising or lowering the spoiler bit doesn't seem to help much either.
The same goes for the buffeting and turbulence. And the bike felt more unstable against head- and crosswinds.

And the winner is...

Screen # 2 - MRA Double Bubble! This is the screen that works best for me - 184 cm tall (apprx. 86 cm/33.8 inches inseam) for all it's worth...
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 07:54 pm

Just to add my 2 cents (or 2 pence in the UK I guess?)

I have a TDM850 and am 6ft 5" tall.
I've always suffered a bit from wind (no laughing at the back please!)

My TDM came with the standard screen, and a taller Red screen.

Here are pics of them side by side:



The bike came with the red one fitted, which I left on for a while. Then I changed to the standard one for a while, before going back to the Red one which did seem a bit better re the WIND issue.

I did find something on Saturday (just gone) travelling down the A23 London-Brighton. If I stuck my head up higher, I lost the buffetting side to side as I was in a clean air stream. Also, if I duck RIGHT DOWN it's very nice also, but it just looks silly.

I tried the suggestion here about putting spacers in, under the fixing screws to let the air under the fairing.
I actually used some metal nuts (as spacers) about 4mm thick I guess, and went for a quick blast. To be honest, it was NOT GOOD. The front of the bike actually felt very unstable at times, so that was a non starter and have taken them off.

Just out of fluke, I've spotted a GIVI TDM screen on Ebay for my bike, and have just (in the last few mins) bought it. So in the next few days I'll give this a try and see how it compairs.

Here's a pic of what I've just ordered:



It looks a little wider at the top and a little taller than my Red one, so I thought it was worth a try.
Being a GIVI one (apparently) I suppose it should be resonable quality?

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 09:34 pm

QUOTE(AJ_Blizzard @ Mon 16th Apr 2007, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have been doing some highly non-scientific experimenting with three different screens I have:

Screen #2: MRA Racing (double bubble) - like the one you find
Screen #3: MRA Vario - the same as E-njoy have:

Screen # 2: The first I noticed was that the bike felt a lot more stable in the front end. Less wind pressure also, but still some buffeting/turbulence especially when riding behind cars. But that usually doesn't last long and when I pass the traffic the turbulence seems to go away for the most part.
Even though I use earplugs I also have a feeling that I get less noise around the helmet.

Screen #3: More noise it seems against the helmet. Raising or lowering the spoiler bit doesn't seem to help much either.
The same goes for the buffeting and turbulence. And the bike felt more unstable against head- and crosswinds.

And the winner is...

Screen # 2 - MRA Double Bubble! This is the screen that works best for me - 184 cm tall (apprx. 86 cm/33.8 inches inseam) for all it's worth...


With your size (I'm 1.90m, 34" inseam) I can imagine the MRA vario is just a bit too tall. For me it's just right, but even for me it could be just a bit lower. I think the problem with the dubble bubble for me would be the width. At speeds over 140 km/h a narrow screen will allow wind to pull on my upper arms which can be quite tiring, but that's not such a problem in Norway cool.gif .
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:25 am

I fitted longer bolts with a thin sleeve, a washer and two M5 nuts locked together to produce an 8mm all round gap.

Results - much smoother airflow and less turbulence. I'm not sure what will happen when it rains.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:43 am

QUOTE(brihol @ Tue 17th Apr 2007, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fitted longer bolts with a thin sleeve, a washer and two M5 nuts locked together to produce an 8mm all round gap.

Results - much smoother airflow and less turbulence. I'm not sure what will happen when it rains.

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Thanks Brian - useful added info. there. Will give it a try.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:04 am

QUOTE(Pict @ Tue 17th Apr 2007, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Brian - useful added info. there. Will give it a try.


Yeah... looks good. I think I'll give it a try also - as soon as I can find longer bolts that fits and rubber washers instead of nuts...
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:34 am

QUOTE(AJ_Blizzard @ Tue 17th Apr 2007, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah... looks good. I think I'll give it a try also - as soon as I can find longer bolts that fits and rubber washers instead of nuts...


I deliberately went the route of two nuts because you can lock them together to hold the screen firmly but not too tight, but you can still turn the bolts to do them up properly tight against the fairing - I didn't want it all coming undone on the motorway.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 12:35 pm

QUOTE(brihol @ Tue 17th Apr 2007, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I deliberately went the route of two nuts because you can lock them together to hold the screen firmly but not too tight, but you can still turn the bolts to do them up properly tight against the fairing - I didn't want it all coming undone on the motorway.

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Ok...
Well, I bought rubber washers, bolts and O-rings today. The washers looks OK, but I think I have to do a little more research when it comes to the bolts. I would prefer another ones with a beter looking head, more like the original platic bolts...
There's a pro hard-ware store (bolts & nuts specialist, in fact) three or four miles (approx. 40 km) from where I live and I think I'll go there to check out what they got before trying the bolts I bought today...
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 01:03 pm

Updating the thread with Brihol's pic:


Large size: http://piloot.smugmu...144526150-L.jpg
Original size: http://piloot.smugmu...144526150-O.jpg
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 04:50 pm

http://i150.photobuc...46/PICT0027.jpg

Here are the components I used in order of assembly

The longer bolt, a nylon sleeve/spacer slightly longer than the thickness of the screen, a small penny washer, two plain nuts locked together using two spanners thus allowing the bolts still to turn and another washer to spread the load on the fairing.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:21 pm

Can any one answer this question, why do I get buffeting on the motorway at 80mph but not when I am dual carriage way or A roads at the same speed?

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Can any one answer this question, why do I get buffeting on the motorway at 80mph but not when I am dual carriage way or A roads at the same speed?


Perhaps its down to turbulance from other traffics proximity, I do find crosswinds stronger on motoways in general.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:59 pm

QUOTE(brihol @ Tue 17th Apr 2007, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://i150.photobuc...46/PICT0027.jpg

Here are the components I used in order of assembly

The longer bolt, a nylon sleeve/spacer slightly longer than the thickness of the screen, a small penny washer, two plain nuts locked together using two spanners thus allowing the bolts still to turn and another washer to spread the load on the fairing.

Brian


Thanks for that Brian.. good.gif
What screen to you have ?
I thought 3mm was good but I will try this ...8mm. banana.gif
I pass near engineering fastner shop on th Dock road in Liverpool.
I'll pop in and see what he has on the shelf.

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